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Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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I think you are confusing things. Being critical of things is not hate. If that is your definition then sorry to tell you but we aren't working with the same definitions. No point of debating when you think saying Hunter Biden committed crimes is the same as hate. Violence has been happening much more from the left when it comes to topics you brought up. There is significantly more violence on the pro abortion side.…

Is watching Fox News or Newsmax counts as touching grass? Many of my sources touched grass and came to the opposite conclusion than you. Criticizing Hunter Biden is not specifically hate, but then again people are not criticizing him, they are spreading conspiracy theories about him. It is yet to be proved that he committed any crime, but his privacy has been already thoroughly violated. Steve Bannon famously said th…

>Is watching Fox News or Newsmax counts as touching grass?

It is the exact opposite. I think this proves my point that you need to get out.

Please provide me some Fox or Newsmax links promoting hate and violence though. I would be interested in seeing what you call violence and hate.

>Many of my sources touched grass and came to the opposite conclusion than you.

I was suggesting you touch grass not people you listen to.

>Criticizing Hunter Biden is not specifically hate, but then again people are not criticizing him, they are spreading conspiracy theories about him.

Conspiracy theories are not hate or violence.

>It is yet to be proved that he committed any crime, but his privacy has been already thoroughly violated.

Not violence or hate. I don't think the repair shop should have gone through the laptop, but it did become the repair shops property after Hunter failed to pick it up.

>Steve Bannon famously said that he doesn't feel good about it, but they are in war.

I don't care what he says about feeling good. Regardless he didn't say kill Hunter or whatever you think conservatives are saying.

>Hunter's entire life was on that laptop, and it was straight up weaponized. Now he is a subject to many QAnon conspiracy theories, and fictional retellings.

Again, not violence or hate.

>You mean anti-abortion institutions?

No. I mean organizations that help people who are not aborting. Providing diapers, money, doctor's services are not anti abortion.

>There are barely any sources for violence against them.

Perhaps you should check what happened after Dobbs.

>I don't think most people know about them.

Most people don't know about the violence and destruction they are experiencing.

>You don't see people attacking churches either.

It doesn't happen often, but it did happen quite a lot after Dobbs. Also Canada had a lot of Churches burned a while back.

>Anti-abortion violence is frequent, it's everywhere, it's a serious issue.

Like I said, touch some grass. You need to get off the internet and talk to real people if you think it is frequent. Spending too much time on the internet skews your mind and causes you to think things are getting so bad in the world. Things aren't perfect, but violence is relatively low and things are OK.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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For what it is worth, I am a trans person. I believe Babylon Bee should've been suspended not because of any moral issue but because Twitter was not a governmental entity, and thus had any right to set policies as preconditions for its users' use of the service. No existing social media company is a public communications carrier. I wouldn't argue for the DNC having a right to have a Parler account, either. I'm a poor…

> I believe Babylon Bee should've been suspended not because of any moral issue but because Twitter was not a governmental entity You believe they should have been suspended because they could have been? What gibberish. This is very much a moral issue. The fact that Twitter isn't a governmental entity is irrelevant. They have a huge platform with a corresponding influence on our culture and debate. Everyone accepts t…

"Congress shall make no law [...] abridging the freedom of speech."

Congress, not Twitter.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Babylon Bee seems pretty harmless. I find right wing humor to be fairly low-IQ, but they should be able to joke about trans women without getting banned. I'm a recovering alcoholic and bipolar, so I have to put up with jokes about drunks and manic street preachers. Why should trans get a pass? Heck, I even tell jokes about drunks and manic street preachers myself.

>Babylon Bee seems pretty harmless. It's as harmful as The Onion. Which is to say, not. I think The Onion is funny, but the bee is funnier. They're even better at mocking themselves than any of their haters are: https://babylonbee.com/news/babylon-bee-writers-struggling-t...

From what I read here, they throw punches at transsexuals, and write some light hearted jokes about conservatives. It's mild. Probably an excuse so they can claim to joke about both sides without genuinely doing it.

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> Advertisers are the most conservative group in any ecosystem Just to be clear, you're using "conservative" in the "risk averse" sense and not the more common political sense, right?

I am not American. So conservative in the classic definition. Majority of advertisers still try to appeal to the broadest demographic possible.

I think the classic conservatives are a dying breed. Alt-right conservatives generate outrage, and clicks and views. They add an irreverent touch to an otherwise kind of boring ideology. They "say it like how it is". They make it cool.

I don't like it, but seeing it grow all over the world makes me think that's the reason why.

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>a kid down the street from the house I grew up in moved to Hollywood to get involved in acting and changed his name but not his gender. he asked everyone to refer to him by his new name instead of his old one. how is this functionally different from someone changing their gender and their name at the same time, with regards to the name change? it doesn't matter why someone wants to change their name, they want to ch…

you're stating that "conservatives" on twitter are deadnaming trans people "because the intent behind the action is to hurt." I'm stating that the media is doing the same thing to Ye. the only difference is that he's not trans, which you seem to think confers special privileges with regards to correct name use that nobody else has access to, and that "deadnaming" is an exclusively anti-trans phenomenon. you are the o…

>I'm stating that the media is doing the same thing to Ye

That's fine, you should probably find something to support that. I haven't seen anything that indicates Ye is offended by being called 'Kayne West'. His official website is www.kaynewest.com. Could you post some examples where it's obvious that they are refusing to call him Ye?

>the only difference is that he's not trans, which you seem to think confers special privileges with regards to correct name use that nobody else has access to

Look, I'm happy to continue this conversation, but you are either failing to grasp basic concepts or pretending you don't. I've never said people shouldn't use his chosen name.

> I am pointing out this contradiction, and you are saying it's not a contradiction at all, because Ye is not trans, and people using his previous name are not intentionally trying to hurt him, but are just lazy or ignorant or whatever excuses you have. you're just talking past me without actually addressing anything I'm saying at this point, so there's no real use in continuing this discussion.

This is really embarrassing for you. I'm sorry for you if you can't read a basic definition, and I'm even more sorry for you if you can't tell the difference between using the wrong on accident and using it to hurt someone. It sounds like you have a lot of growing to do as a person. I agree that there is no point to this discussion.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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You've confused Tucker Carlson for a journalist. It's a mistake sufficiently common that his lawyers have had to explain in court that he is an entertainer and his words are to be taken as opinion. Journalists and entertainers are generally held to different standards, especially in court. A better comparison would be to Rachel Maddow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Maddow >Rachel Anne Maddow (/ˈmædoʊ/ (listen)…

I've got no problem with your characterization of Carlson, but do you honestly believe Blitzer is an objective arbiter of truth? I don't, and I think this myth among so many in "news" media has done more to misinform people than any of the pundits who are honest about their biases. See also, Dan Rather and Brian Williams.

I never said anything about believing the news. Wikipedia labels the political leanings of people they identify as political commentators, and they don't label the political leanings of people they identify as journalists.

In this case, both Maddow and Carlson have used the argument in court that a reasonable person would not take what they say as fact. Regardless of our personal opinions about him or his employers, Blitzer has not made that claim.

If we're trying to ascertain whether Wikipedia is biased in how it describes people on television, comparing a political commentator to a journalist is not going to be a very instructive example. Comparing to another political commentator is going to be more useful. I'm not making any assertions about how I feel regarding these people.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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You've confused Tucker Carlson for a journalist. It's a mistake sufficiently common that his lawyers have had to explain in court that he is an entertainer and his words are to be taken as opinion. Journalists and entertainers are generally held to different standards, especially in court. A better comparison would be to Rachel Maddow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Maddow >Rachel Anne Maddow (/ˈmædoʊ/ (listen)…

>You've confused Tucker Carlson for a journalist. Having the same bias as Wikipedia isn't evidence of their impartiality.

I'm sorry if that sentence made you think you had enough information to assess my political leanings, and I'm even more sorry if I gave the impression that I care about the politics of TV personalities. I'm strictly speaking in terms of how Wikipedia describes people on television. I may as well have said "You've confused Wolf Blitzer for a political commentator," as Wikipedia doesn't classify him that way, and he's never represented himself that way in court.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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> I believe Babylon Bee should've been suspended not because of any moral issue but because Twitter was not a governmental entity You believe they should have been suspended because they could have been? What gibberish. This is very much a moral issue. The fact that Twitter isn't a governmental entity is irrelevant. They have a huge platform with a corresponding influence on our culture and debate. Everyone accepts t…

"Congress shall make no law [...] abridging the freedom of speech." Congress, not Twitter.

Freedom of speech exists as a philosophical concept outside of the 1st amendment. The 1st amendment is simply the application of that concept to the American constitution.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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I imagine this will do a speed run of unbanning -> turning into a cesspit of toxicity because ‘free speech’ -> lots of people leave because it’s so unpleasant. It’ll be fun to watch though, as someone that’s never valued the site.

Not sure why you are being downvoted, it's a very reasonable hypothesis.

I ended up with 0 points, so balanced reactions overall :)

I think it’s a valid hypothesis. I’ve been on the internet long enough to know that places with no rules end up toxic. Heck, I participated in kuro5hin long after it turned into whatever the hell it turned into after the initial honeymoon period grew stale. And the tail end of people using usenet for actual discussion, rather than piracy… I’ve seen the chans too.

It’s a repeating pattern; toxicity takes over, attracts more toxicity and drives out any attempts at normal discourse, this accelerates until you’re left with either a toxic trollfest or the whole thing just dies or both. Musk is either going to turn Twitter into one of those, or he’s going to have to moderate effectively. I find all the “but free speech!” stuff very naive. Fine principle, but it kills online communities.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Regardless of dictionary definitions, when judged by the tone and context of common use, "cis" is primarily a slur which is used to de-legitimize and insult the people it is directed at. Of the people who are ostensibly "cis", exceptionally few will choose to self-describe using that word. Kindly refrain from using it.

The only people who would have cis used to "delegitimize" them would be ones who are saying something innacurate about trans people and are being told that they do not have relevant frame of reference for that comment. Describing cis as a slur is... Wow.

It was created for a couple of purposes:

- Add an unnecessarily complex psuedo-intellectual layer to the discussion in order to catch normal people off guard and make them feel "uneducated" so that they can be "educated".

- Decouple the idea of normal from heterosexuality, which is, frankly, normal due to it being the most common state for of existence for people.

Overall it is a purposeful attack on the status quo. In summary, "cis" as a term is unnecessary.

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