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Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by Volundr »

hackeraccount wrote: post #398
Volundr wrote: post #249

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> To me, that means that you shouldn’t be banned for contesting the idea of transgenderism. While I'm mixed on the ban, this is a mischaracterization of what they were banned for. They were banned for misgendering a specific person not questioning transgenderism. There is a significant distinction between questioning an idea and targeting a specific person.

Toleration is a funny thing isn't it? If you have a problem with transgenderism how much do you need to support it to be tolerant? If you have a problem with people who have a problem with transgenderism how much do you have to support them to be tolerant? There are great yard sticks to this question in theory "I tolerate everything except intolerance. Your right to swing your arms stops when they come into contact w…

I see what your saying here, and it might be a relevant discussion in a different context, but here it's really not. If they wrote a deep thoughtful article about Rachel Levine, but simply misgendered her because they don't believe in trans people for religious or whatever reasons it'd be worth asking " If you have a problem with transgenderism how much do you need to support it to be tolerant?". But they didn't. The entire point of their post was to misgender her. Not misgendering her didn't require showing any kind of support for transgenderism, it simply required... doing nothing. Instead they deliberately singled out an individual person to mock for being transgender.

If this was some random trans Rachel from Boring, Oregon, I'd call this a clear case of bullying and say the ban was 100% justified and shouldn't remain, but I think there is a much, much higher bar when the target is a government official or celebrity. But that doesn't change the fact that the entire point was singling out an individual for mockery.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by jjeaff »

NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #186
mlindner wrote: post #87

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They were never banned only suspended, and there's nothing in the link to indicate that they've been un-suspended from posting. From last week proof that they weren't banned: https://web.archive.org/web/20221019005155/https://twitter.c...

They were suspended with a little Maoist struggle session setup that they were required to go through to repent their sins, and included is an admission that they were sinners for doing it, in order to get their account back. You left that very important part out.

I don't know, sounds more like a Christian process than a Maoist one.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by _-david-_ »

socialismisok wrote: post #359
_-david-_ wrote: post #349

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If you think trans people shouldn't be allowed to be berated online then why not ban berating of Trump or whites? Why should their experience on Twitter be a "shitty experience"? Regardless, you didn't answer my question: "If Babylon Bee makes a joke about trans people how is that removing trans voices from the platform?" People voluntarily leaving is not removing voices.

> People voluntarily leaving is not removing voices. This is naive. If a Klan bar doesn't literally throw out Black people, they still are preventing Black people from being there by making the environment so unpleasant they cannot remain.

You could make that argument about any group that has a large amount of critics. Congress, for example, has an approval rating under that of trans people.

I propose Twitter bans anybody who "berates" a politician. If we don't do that then Twitter is allowing the environment to be too unpleasant for one the most marginalized groups out there.

Why would my plan be bad, but yours good?

Just because there is an environment that is too unpleasant for some people to remain in, doesn't mean that environment should change to conform to the wants of that person. People who are sensitive to sound can't go to some loud bar and demand everybody stop making noise. (Well they could demand it, but nobody will care). The bar isn't forcing the person to leave by not lowering the volume.

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Post by adamrezich »

cmh89 wrote: post #342
adamrezich wrote: post #269

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a kid down the street from the house I grew up in moved to Hollywood to get involved in acting and changed his name but not his gender. he asked everyone to refer to him by his new name instead of his old one. how is this functionally different from someone changing their gender and their name at the same time, with regards to the name change? it doesn't matter why someone wants to change their name, they want to cha…

>a kid down the street from the house I grew up in moved to Hollywood to get involved in acting and changed his name but not his gender. he asked everyone to refer to him by his new name instead of his old one. how is this functionally different from someone changing their gender and their name at the same time, with regards to the name change? it doesn't matter why someone wants to change their name, they want to ch…

you're stating that "conservatives" on twitter are deadnaming trans people "because the intent behind the action is to hurt." I'm stating that the media is doing the same thing to Ye. the only difference is that he's not trans, which you seem to think confers special privileges with regards to correct name use that nobody else has access to, and that "deadnaming" is an exclusively anti-trans phenomenon. you are the one who is not reading my posts: I specifically said that using "Kanye West" in the context of "formerly known as" makes plenty of sense. however this is not what has been happening in many, many headlines, all easily findable on news.google.com. I am pointing out this contradiction, and you are saying it's not a contradiction at all, because Ye is not trans, and people using his previous name are not intentionally trying to hurt him, but are just lazy or ignorant or whatever excuses you have. you're just talking past me without actually addressing anything I'm saying at this point, so there's no real use in continuing this discussion.

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Post by 18pfsmt »

stonogo wrote: post #336
NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #218

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>Because Wikipedia tends to err on the side of respecting the wishes of the subject. Unless that subject is right wing. Wolf Blitzer: >Wolf Isaac Blitzer (born March 22, 1948) is an American journalist, television news anchor, and author who has been a CNN reporter since 1990, and who currently serves as one of the principal anchors at the network.[1] He is the host of The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer and until 2…

You've confused Tucker Carlson for a journalist. It's a mistake sufficiently common that his lawyers have had to explain in court that he is an entertainer and his words are to be taken as opinion. Journalists and entertainers are generally held to different standards, especially in court. A better comparison would be to Rachel Maddow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Maddow >Rachel Anne Maddow (/ˈmædoʊ/ (listen)…

I've got no problem with your characterization of Carlson, but do you honestly believe Blitzer is an objective arbiter of truth?

I don't, and I think this myth among so many in "news" media has done more to misinform people than any of the pundits who are honest about their biases. See also, Dan Rather and Brian Williams.

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Post by Comevius »

Mezzie wrote: post #388
Comevius wrote: post #369

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I don't get the logic. Just because older women have experienced discrimination it doesn't mean that older trans women should too. I'm sure Levine had her fair share of obstacles too, but it shouldn't be up to some oppression olympics to decide who deserves what and when. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppression_Olympics > Now we get trolling from everybody I don't know what are you talking about, but feminist lesbia…

Of course not. But trans women who were in the closet for most of their lives or who didn't know being trans was an option had DIFFERENT oppressions than cis women or trans women who were able to be themselves at a younger age. And being AMAB did matter a lot more when Levine was growing up. Levine could get a credit card, for example. Levine, as a future scientist, wouldn't have had her teachers and parents telling…

I kind of understand your perspective now. An award honoring women could be less appropriate for people who only transitioned later in their life, since they basically newcomers to being a woman. Though there are also awards that are for women, but for specific things, like flying the longest distance this year. Sport awards on the other hand can be problematic, because transgender women typically outperform women and by a lot.

This is a complicated issue I guess. One one hand it feels like maybe we don't need women-only awards, on the other hand women deserve a special recognition. I guess it should be up to the people giving the award. USA Today for example gave 12 people Women of the Year award in 2022, Dr. Rachel Levine was only one of them, she just kind of overshadowed everyone else because the controversy equals clicks.

> It keeps invading the communities and groups I'm a part of against my will

I don't know how it is for the lesbians, but for gay men you won't find an uncontested space, unless you go deeper into specific preferences. People are different, they want different things, like some people are into older people, bigger people, cross-dressing people, submissive people, more serious, less serious, not serious at all. There are millions of pet peeves, and the dating pool is about fighting your way through them. Nobody would notice an invasion by transgender men, just throw them on the pile. A lot of gay man are insecure, especially older people, nothing new there. I guess it's different for lesbians, or maybe it's just your communities, I don't know.

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Post by mixmastamyk »

adamrezich wrote: post #36
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how many times has he been called "Kanye West" in headlines and news stories in the past couple weeks? nobody gives a shit about deadnaming him, because he's a Bad Guy Saying Bad Things, which proves that there actually is a political conditional on the supposed core moral value of "deadnaming is an utterly terrible thing to do, always, and there's never any excuse for it". I've tried repeatedly to bring this up onli…

How about Prince, rarely called formerly any longer.

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Post by Comevius »

ZGDUwpqEWpUZ wrote: post #400
Comevius wrote: post #394

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> I am one, I am mad about it I didn't know that. That sucks. Unfortunately it is an underreported issue because of the stigma. > he was objectively right about Russia The media presented it like he was a genius stating the obvious in the middle of his isolationist speech. It was an obvious talking point. He certainly did a lot to cozy up to Russia, and more so to Saudi Arabia.

> I didn't know that. That sucks. Unfortunately it is an underreported issue because of the stigma. Almost like men are subject to gendered expectations and discrimination, isn't it? The feminist superposition of simultaneously totally caring about those issues (toxic masculinity!), but also attacking anyone who talks about them, is quite tiring. > The media presented it like he was a genius stating the obvious in th…

> How you read that as me "idealizing" Trump

By using speed-reading methods, 60% of the time it works every time when trying to find dirt on someone who hurt your ego. Winning internet arguments is a serious business.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by Comevius »

_-david-_ wrote: post #396
Comevius wrote: post #385

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Source: the entire conservative media from Fox News to Breitbart, social media, the paper below comparing left-wing, right-wing and Islamist political violence, anti-LGBTQ violence and attacks on pride festivals, anti-abortion violence, shooting sprees, bombings, the Capitol attack, MAGA Republicans and Trump himself, QAnon, white supremacists, militias, incels. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2122593119 https:…

I think you are confusing things. Being critical of things is not hate. If that is your definition then sorry to tell you but we aren't working with the same definitions. No point of debating when you think saying Hunter Biden committed crimes is the same as hate. Violence has been happening much more from the left when it comes to topics you brought up. There is significantly more violence on the pro abortion side.…

Is watching Fox News or Newsmax counts as touching grass? Many of my sources touched grass and came to the opposite conclusion than you.

Criticizing Hunter Biden is not specifically hate, but then again people are not criticizing him, they are spreading conspiracy theories about him. It is yet to be proved that he committed any crime, but his privacy has been already thoroughly violated. Steve Bannon famously said that he doesn't feel good about it, but they are in war. Hunter's entire life was on that laptop, and it was straight up weaponized. Now he is a subject to many QAnon conspiracy theories, and fictional retellings.

> Look at all the prolife institutions

You mean anti-abortion institutions? There are barely any sources for violence against them. I don't think most people know about them. You don't see people attacking churches either. Anti-abortion violence is frequent, it's everywhere, it's a serious issue.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by NaturalPhallacy »

stonogo wrote: post #336
NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #218

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>Because Wikipedia tends to err on the side of respecting the wishes of the subject. Unless that subject is right wing. Wolf Blitzer: >Wolf Isaac Blitzer (born March 22, 1948) is an American journalist, television news anchor, and author who has been a CNN reporter since 1990, and who currently serves as one of the principal anchors at the network.[1] He is the host of The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer and until 2…

You've confused Tucker Carlson for a journalist. It's a mistake sufficiently common that his lawyers have had to explain in court that he is an entertainer and his words are to be taken as opinion. Journalists and entertainers are generally held to different standards, especially in court. A better comparison would be to Rachel Maddow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Maddow >Rachel Anne Maddow (/ˈmædoʊ/ (listen)…

>You've confused Tucker Carlson for a journalist.

Having the same bias as Wikipedia isn't evidence of their impartiality.

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