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Which facts, specifically. Please go on the record.
>Which facts, specifically. Please go on the record. This is incitement.
LOL. Incitement of "to have a discussion we need concrete opinions".
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> You fucked up real good, kiddo. It's so fun to watch this impotent seething. I don't even have the words to describe it. Beautiful.
> impotent seething Interesting word choice from a man who idealizes people like Trump and Musk, can't stop posting about how oppressed and marginalized men is, and calls transgender women men.
I don't idealize Trump. I said he was objectively right about Russia in one conversation where he got laughed at for saying they're a threat and that Germany is too dependent upon them for energy [1]. Nothing about that involves seething. I agree he was a terrible president overall, and I've said as much.
I don't misgender people, either. Never have. I just don't demand everybody else should have the same view. Again, no seething.
And why would I stop posting about male sexual assault victims? I am one, I am mad about it, and you bringing it up shows what kind of "person" [2] wants to control the conversation :)
[1] https://youtube.com/watch?v=M5MJEMHZZsI
[2] https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/the-problem-with-fake-...
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> explicitly promotes bigotry against ideas they don't hold dear (alt-right, etc) The alt-right is specifically a hate group. They're defined by their racism and bigotry. This is a prime example of "you want to censor us because you disagree" being claimed in bad faith. You're familiar with the Paradox of Tolerance, right? There's no way you're not, it gets brought up in every thread that talks about censorship. > I…
Regarding Paradox of Intolerance: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#What_Popp... See section "misuse"
A valid refutation, if a little weak.
I think the last paragraph of the "What Popper actually Said" section is just as important to note:
> It makes sense, doesn't it? Free speech is all fine and dandy, but let's stretch that to the limit. A and B are promoting their ideologies. A-ism is based on reasoned arguments — they may not yield correct conclusions, or they may, but A is speaking in good faith. B-ism is based on calls to violence and insurrection. If both are afforded the right to speak freely, modelling things out, B will necessarily inflict violence, or threats of such, on A — but violence and violent threats have the effect of silencing others, which indirectly impedes their right to speak freely — you are not 'free' to speak if someone will hurt you for doing so! Thus, free will is replaced with coercion, and society suffers as a result.
A line in speech has to be drawn somewhere. There's a difference among "I hate $RACE", "I hate $RACIAL_SLUR", "Someone needs to deal with the $RACIAL_SLUR problem", and "I want to kill $RACIAL_SLUR".
The first two on their own are not violent, and they're not written to stoke violence, but a person that sees as a lot of that content who agrees with it may eventually decide to escalate to violence.
The latter two are easily considered calls to violence, which even most free speech advocates might not agree with. The most aggravating thing about the people that post that kind of content is the blindingly obvious bad faith claims that "Oh, I don't mean we should solve the problem by KILLING them!" or "Well, I'd never ACTUALLY kill someone".
It's extremely easy to say "Well until the murder happens, no crime has been committed" when you're not the target.
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> impotent seething Interesting word choice from a man who idealizes people like Trump and Musk, can't stop posting about how oppressed and marginalized men is, and calls transgender women men.
I don't idealize Trump. I said he was objectively right about Russia in one conversation where he got laughed at for saying they're a threat and that Germany is too dependent upon them for energy [1]. Nothing about that involves seething. I agree he was a terrible president overall, and I've said as much. I don't misgender people, either. Never have. I just don't demand everybody else should have the same view. Again…
> I am one, I am mad about it
I didn't know that. That sucks. Unfortunately it is an underreported issue because of the stigma.
> he was objectively right about Russia
The media presented it like he was a genius stating the obvious in the middle of his isolationist speech. It was an obvious talking point. He certainly did a lot to cozy up to Russia, and more so to Saudi Arabia.
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"Cis" people dont care about being misgendered.
I've been called a sissy on many an occasion. That is in fact, being misgendered, and I cared a lot when I was young. I no longer care about being mocked and I reject gender norms in general, but I'm just old enough to just realize a bully being an asshole is a tale as old as time. I realize though that it isn't always on option for people. This can be much more challenging if it's in the workplace, or when people ar…
>I've been called a sissy on many an occasion.
That's just an insult.
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>I'm seriously suggesting that denying someone's place in society is denying their existence, yes. What do you mean denying someone's place in society? Are there are bunch of conservatives denying jobs to trans people or something? You are being too hyperbolic. >Conservative government officials, media commentators and militias are regularly attacking transgender people with real-life consequences. It's not just legi…
Source: the entire conservative media from Fox News to Breitbart, social media, the paper below comparing left-wing, right-wing and Islamist political violence, anti-LGBTQ violence and attacks on pride festivals, anti-abortion violence, shooting sprees, bombings, the Capitol attack, MAGA Republicans and Trump himself, QAnon, white supremacists, militias, incels. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2122593119 https:…
I think you are confusing things. Being critical of things is not hate. If that is your definition then sorry to tell you but we aren't working with the same definitions.
No point of debating when you think saying Hunter Biden committed crimes is the same as hate.
Violence has been happening much more from the left when it comes to topics you brought up.
There is significantly more violence on the pro abortion side. Look at all the prolife institutions that were damaged and destroyed. It is peanuts against the pro choice facilities. And to top it off some of them were attacks by leftists to frame the right.
Huge amount of racists crap written on walls and stuff have been hoaxes written by the group targeted. Look at Buba Wallace and Jussie Smollett. Look at the the rise in hate crimes against Asians. It isn't exactly happening from a common Trump demographic.
The left has been leading in violence and hate. Regardless the violence and hate is quite minimal. If all you see is hate and violence then you need to get off the internet and as the kids say touch grass.
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#397Great, they should have never been banned to begin with.
Fully disagree. They publicly mocked a trans person, in clear violation of the TOS that all users agree to as a condition of use of the platform. They were then temporarily suspended, as clearly laid out in the TOS. Twitter says "Hey, if X, then Y." Babylon Bee says "Yeah, ok." Babylon Bee does X, and experiences Y. They are not victims, and there is no "violation of free speech" here.
I don't think the parent argued that it was compliant with the TOS, he's more likely saying that the TOS was inappropriate and is glad that's been corrected.
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The argument that a person can be a different gender than the one that all their physical biology points to is absolutely not an open-and-shut case. I know many people believe that it is, but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t valid opposing arguments. To me, that means that you shouldn’t be banned for contesting the idea of transgenderism. I think a more reasonable argument is that people should be allowed to prese…
> To me, that means that you shouldn’t be banned for contesting the idea of transgenderism. While I'm mixed on the ban, this is a mischaracterization of what they were banned for. They were banned for misgendering a specific person not questioning transgenderism. There is a significant distinction between questioning an idea and targeting a specific person.
Toleration is a funny thing isn't it? If you have a problem with transgenderism how much do you need to support it to be tolerant? If you have a problem with people who have a problem with transgenderism how much do you have to support them to be tolerant?
There are great yard sticks to this question in theory "I tolerate everything except intolerance. Your right to swing your arms stops when they come into contact with someone's nose." In practice though it's always easy - on every side - to pick out the things we don't like and decide that they're violent or intolerant.
Everyone is tolerant of the things they like - and they ask everyone to join them in that if they like those things or not.
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If you think trans people shouldn't be allowed to be berated online then why not ban berating of Trump or whites? Why should their experience on Twitter be a "shitty experience"? Regardless, you didn't answer my question: "If Babylon Bee makes a joke about trans people how is that removing trans voices from the platform?" People voluntarily leaving is not removing voices.
> People voluntarily leaving is not removing voices. This is naive. If a Klan bar doesn't literally throw out Black people, they still are preventing Black people from being there by making the environment so unpleasant they cannot remain.
Doesn't this make it a race to see how everyone can be like the peasants in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
"Help Help I'm being oppressed! Come see the violence inherent in the system!"
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I don't idealize Trump. I said he was objectively right about Russia in one conversation where he got laughed at for saying they're a threat and that Germany is too dependent upon them for energy [1]. Nothing about that involves seething. I agree he was a terrible president overall, and I've said as much. I don't misgender people, either. Never have. I just don't demand everybody else should have the same view. Again…
> I am one, I am mad about it I didn't know that. That sucks. Unfortunately it is an underreported issue because of the stigma. > he was objectively right about Russia The media presented it like he was a genius stating the obvious in the middle of his isolationist speech. It was an obvious talking point. He certainly did a lot to cozy up to Russia, and more so to Saudi Arabia.
> I didn't know that. That sucks. Unfortunately it is an underreported issue because of the stigma.
Almost like men are subject to gendered expectations and discrimination, isn't it? The feminist superposition of simultaneously totally caring about those issues (toxic masculinity!), but also attacking anyone who talks about them, is quite tiring.
> The media presented it like he was a genius stating the obvious in the middle of his isolationist speech.
I doubt any mainstream media outlets outside of Fox News presented him as a genius. More likely they took the same mocking tone as the other representatives at that NATO dinner. He's a broken clock, but he was 100% right about energy dependence and NATO defense funding. How you read that as me "idealizing" Trump, I have no idea.