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Post by socialismisok »

thedorkknight wrote: post #153
socialismisok wrote: post #62

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I mean, you don't have free speech here either. Mods will absolutely come in and remove content and ban you for many of the same things Twitter will.

Anecdotally, I find the discussions here to be far less aggressively stress inducing and rude than the rest of the web

I mostly agree, until I try to politely share any opinion about socialism, anarchism, gender, or speech when it comes to how those things intersect tech. Whew, do I get a lot of hateful comments here.

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Post by socialismisok »

reitanqild wrote: post #386
socialismisok wrote: post #62

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I mean, you don't have free speech here either. Mods will absolutely come in and remove content and ban you for many of the same things Twitter will.

Mods here are really great. Obviously (IMNSHO) Twitter must be a little less strict than a niche forum, but it would be a great start for Twitter if they were as balanced as HN is: here you get a talking to or a ban if you deserve it - regardless of what side you belong to. On Twitter it seems you can get away with some amazing things (haven't I seen death wishes?) if you are clearly left leaning.

I think, but I do not have the data, that there is plenty of left speech that is banned on Twitter.

I mean left as in, not Democrat (which Americans seem to think is a lefty party), but actual leftists discussing socialism and anarchism theory. And not even the autocratic leftist stuff (which sucks. Leftist dictators suck), just like every day "we should tax more and build social housing and stop evictions" leftists.

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Post by reitanqild »

socialismisok wrote: post #442
reitanqild wrote: post #386

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Mods here are really great. Obviously (IMNSHO) Twitter must be a little less strict than a niche forum, but it would be a great start for Twitter if they were as balanced as HN is: here you get a talking to or a ban if you deserve it - regardless of what side you belong to. On Twitter it seems you can get away with some amazing things (haven't I seen death wishes?) if you are clearly left leaning.

I think, but I do not have the data, that there is plenty of left speech that is banned on Twitter. I mean left as in, not Democrat (which Americans seem to think is a lefty party), but actual leftists discussing socialism and anarchism theory. And not even the autocratic leftist stuff (which sucks. Leftist dictators suck), just like every day "we should tax more and build social housing and stop evictions" leftists.

I'm a member of NAFO. I've spent a lot of time on Twitter the last 8 months.

I've not seen signs of this: on the contrary we have had to work hard to get Twitter to ban the worst of the worst (e.g. socialist accounts who argue openly for military attacks on Ukrainian civilians far from the front lines - or even worse).

It would be great if the same Twitter that finds it OK to throw out Babylon Bee for having fun with a government official would also be consistent enough to throw out tankies that more or less (you should see some of the things I have seen) argue for genocide of Ukrainians.

Same goes for hate speech against Jews, it is amazing what some people can get away with on Twitter.

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Post by Comevius »

_-david-_ wrote: post #411
Comevius wrote: post #409

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Is watching Fox News or Newsmax counts as touching grass? Many of my sources touched grass and came to the opposite conclusion than you. Criticizing Hunter Biden is not specifically hate, but then again people are not criticizing him, they are spreading conspiracy theories about him. It is yet to be proved that he committed any crime, but his privacy has been already thoroughly violated. Steve Bannon famously said th…

>Is watching Fox News or Newsmax counts as touching grass? It is the exact opposite. I think this proves my point that you need to get out. Please provide me some Fox or Newsmax links promoting hate and violence though. I would be interested in seeing what you call violence and hate. >Many of my sources touched grass and came to the opposite conclusion than you. I was suggesting you touch grass not people you listen…

Nothing you are saying invalidates these studies. It's not especially hard to run into this kind of hate out in the streets either, and if you are running an abortion clinic you pretty much have to deal with it on a daily basis.

While we were talking a conservative man went to Nancy Pelosi's house looking for her and attacked her husband with a hammer. This was just one of the many high-profile incidents that occurred since the attack on the US Capitol.

This is a pattern. It's a culture of hate as I said, just in the United States alone at least 10 million people is fuming with hate, ready to snap on a moment's notice thanks to conservative media riling them up with conspiracy theories.

Things are not okay at all. The United States came close to the brink on January 6, 2021. The conservatives and their idea of a Christian theocracy checks all the marks of fascism, and they are not going to abandon it. History likely won't repeat itself verbatim, but it can sure rhyme, and a lot of people will be worst for it.

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Post by flippinburgers »

dragonwriter wrote: post #421
flippinburgers wrote: post #420

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It was created for a couple of purposes: - Add an unnecessarily complex psuedo-intellectual layer to the discussion in order to catch normal people off guard and make them feel "uneducated" so that they can be "educated". - Decouple the idea of normal from heterosexuality, which is, frankly, normal due to it being the most common state for of existence for people. Overall it is a purposeful attack on the status quo.…

> Decouple the idea of normal from heterosexuality Um, no, other than arguably being wrong on the broad kind of motivation in either case, you seem to have also confused the word “cisgender” (or “cis” for short) with the word “heterosexual”. Transgender people can be heterosexual or homosexual or asexual or any other sexuality, and the same is true of cisgender people; having a term to refer to people who do not devi…

Nope. You can be a man or a woman. Or you, in a very minority case, might be trans. The point is that there is absolutely no need for the "cis" identifier.

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Post by dragonwriter »

flippinburgers wrote: post #445
dragonwriter wrote: post #421

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> Decouple the idea of normal from heterosexuality Um, no, other than arguably being wrong on the broad kind of motivation in either case, you seem to have also confused the word “cisgender” (or “cis” for short) with the word “heterosexual”. Transgender people can be heterosexual or homosexual or asexual or any other sexuality, and the same is true of cisgender people; having a term to refer to people who do not devi…

Nope. You can be a man or a woman. Or you, in a very minority case, might be trans. The point is that there is absolutely no need for the "cis" identifier.

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Post by hunchle »

dragonwriter wrote: post #446
flippinburgers wrote: post #445

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Nope. You can be a man or a woman. Or you, in a very minority case, might be trans. The point is that there is absolutely no need for the "cis" identifier.

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> actually, ascribed gender—assigned at birth

No, it is actually an observation of sex - often observed prenatally, then confirmed at birth.

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Post by [deleted] »

woooooo wrote: post #177
socialismisok wrote: post #104

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It's not "absolutely true in the scientific sense", except at the "I have an understanding of high school level biology and sociology" sense. Sex and gender are both significantly more complex than just chromosomes, genitalia, or organs. If you are interested, I'm happy to dive into a good faith discussion of where the science actually falls.

Matter of opinion. I wouldn't deliberately misgender someone just to be a jerk, but the idea suite you're referencing was a niche viewpoint 7 years ago or so. It's kind of incredible to go from there to "this is a settled mandatory philosophical viewpoint and disagreement is banished" in such a short time.

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Post by oska »

socialismisok wrote: post #231
commandlinefan wrote: post #180

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The only real discussion to be had is that you and I mean (very) different things when we use the word "woman".

For sure. I've had this discussion many times with many people. I'd argue that most women, in fact probably 99% or more, fall into a fairly straightforward definition - two X chromosomes, raised to behave like whatever their society expects from women. (I think we can agree that "woman" might have different cultural/social expectations depending on where they were raised? E.g. in some parts of the world a niqab or ha…

You're using intersex ppl and the very real issues they have faced to then push gender ideology (your transition at the end to "A group whose bodies are functionally male but who feel a deep revulsion at being a man"). That's exploitative of intersex people but is sadly consistent with gender ideologues always trying to piggyback on other group's issues (e.g. the attempt to piggbyback on the struggles that same sex attracted people have faced).

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Post by nemo44x »

thedorkknight wrote: post #340
nemo44x wrote: post #163

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Where in the terms does it say you can't make this joke? The enforcement of these things have been completely arbitrary.

https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/hateful-condu... Key part being the last sentence here: "We prohibit targeting others with repeated slurs, tropes or other content that intends to dehumanize, degrade or reinforce negative or harmful stereotypes about a protected category. This includes targeted misgendering or deadnaming of transgender individuals." Perhaps Twitter does arbitrarily enforce punishment fo…

It’s satire. They aren’t harassing anyone, they’re making a joke about a public person. It’s a joke and it’s completely different than “targeted misgendering”.
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