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Post by bt4u »

Zagill wrote: post #501
mildmotive wrote: post #404

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> They didn’t even make a joke. They just called trans woman a man. It was hate speech, pure and simple. It’s not a crime nor hate speech to acknowledge someone’s biological sex. That’s what we do in sports and when we select partners for example. Most, if not all heterosexual men would not consider a “trans woman” to be an actual woman. Our way of selecting partners is proof of that. To punish a natural, and biologi…

How are we this far into the modern trans rights movement and people still haven't wrapped their brains around sex and gender being two distinct concepts?

Maybe because the person who came up with that idea is a crazy pedophile who drove 2 young boys to suicide. Yes, really. Maybe we should not blindly accept all of his ideas.

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Post by augustuspolius »

partiallypro wrote: post #437
pclmulqdq wrote: post #402

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I'm not sure most people here have seen the corner of Twitter known as "black Twitter." This is the part of Twitter where people (most of them from racial minorities) discuss things like "the Jews are keeping minorities poor," and "abortion is racist eugenics." I don't know how they don't all get banned, but they somehow have a very vibrant community. The level of antisemitism that Kanye (no, I will not call him "Ye"…

Anti-Semitism and anti-Asian views are pretty popular in the black community (I can't say to what degree but high enough that it shows up in hate crime stats), just as much as it exists in the white community. It gets swept under the rug and never really addressed; I've even seen that the idea that minorities can't be racist (even towards other minorities) being actively perpetuated on social media. I think that shou…

If only we could all agree that the idea that only one race can be bigoted and racist is in itself racist.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by bmitc »

mikkergp wrote: post #502
bmitc wrote: post #473

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Who are the other shareholders? I thought the entire point of the purchase is that he bought out all the shareholders.

Maybe shareholders was the wrong term, doesn’t he have a duty to like the banks and Saudis and other investors

Oh, I see. I have no idea. My intuition is that it's like a standard loan, as in he can do whatever he wants but if he doesn't pay it back then they'll come after his other assets he supposedly put up as collateral. That's just me guessing. I have no idea how that works at that scale of financing.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by mdeeks »

smeagull wrote: post #531
beachy wrote: post #522

I wish that Twitter - or some other social network - would experiment with the type of moderation seen on HN. Some would maybe call it heavy handed but I think of HN as a place that is mercifully relatively free of trolling, outrage culture, political bullshit and other toxic behaviors. In my experience there's no place like HN on the internet, and that's due I suspect to having a highly professional moderator (@dang…

HN is pretty much like any subreddit. And there is a line of prevailing thought that you can't go against.

I guess it depends on the subreddit and mods, but most subreddits I've been to are littered with jokes, memes, and various levels of anger. They are usually hilarious but not what I want to wade through most of the time. It hides the useful info.

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Post by 49531 »

partiallypro wrote: post #441
slg wrote: post #432

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>It has only been very, very recently that we have gone from... Would you have said the same thing about ridiculing someone for being openly gay in government 30 years ago, being Catholic in government 60 years ago, or being Black in government 80 years ago?

No, because those aren't even remotely similar things. It wouldn't be a "hate crime" to call a Catholic a Protestant, or a Gay person a Straight person or a Black person a white person. It would be a hateful to deny them rights or to call for abuse. In this instance the "hate crime" is merely saying someone's biological sex is x, even if they say they are y. However, If I called a non-trans woman a man or a non-trans…

I think the debate on misgendering being a "hate crime" is a bit pedantic. A lot of normal things between friends, lovers, acquaintances, colleagues pr strangers can be considered criminal or normal depending on circumstances / context. The idea that you're going to be jailed by accidentally misgendering your buddy is just moral panic at the expense of trans folks.

If I walked around the office calling my male co-worker by some random female name as a form of ridicule I'd end up on those cheesy videos they make you watch for sexual harassment training.

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bogota wrote: post #490
FireBeyond wrote: post #456

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Just my opinion. But why would you lie about what will become a fairly big piece of news right before you are about to go through and be cutting a bunch of jobs. It would be almost certain to leak.

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Post by catiopatio »

Zagill wrote: post #501
mildmotive wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They didn’t even make a joke. They just called trans woman a man. It was hate speech, pure and simple. It’s not a crime nor hate speech to acknowledge someone’s biological sex. That’s what we do in sports and when we select partners for example. Most, if not all heterosexual men would not consider a “trans woman” to be an actual woman. Our way of selecting partners is proof of that. To punish a natural, and biologi…

How are we this far into the modern trans rights movement and people still haven't wrapped their brains around sex and gender being two distinct concepts?

I “still” haven’t wrapped my head around it because not once have I been presented with non-tautological replacement definitions for “man” and “woman”.

I will immediately change my mind and recant my views — here and now! — if someone provides:

- A specific definition of what “gender” is, if not a synonym for “sex”

- Non-tautological definitions of “man” and “woman” that are consistent with your definition of “gender”

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by pixl97 »

mdeeks wrote: post #540
beachy wrote: post #522

I wish that Twitter - or some other social network - would experiment with the type of moderation seen on HN. Some would maybe call it heavy handed but I think of HN as a place that is mercifully relatively free of trolling, outrage culture, political bullshit and other toxic behaviors. In my experience there's no place like HN on the internet, and that's due I suspect to having a highly professional moderator (@dang…

HN still suffers from what I call the "Everyone is an idiot but me" mentality. There is also a bit of outrage from time to time about small things. But the fact that it is the worst that happens here is saying a lot though. HN really is very well moderated and the guidelines are concise, reasonable, and simple to understand. It really helps that HN has a narrow set of topics. No idea how this could possibly scale to…

HN doesn't scale because at the end of the day we can fall back to tech and moderate everything else out of existence.

Politics poof gone.

Celebrities poof gone.

Sports poof gone.

Religion poof gone.

HN simply doesn't have to deal with the above in a general manner which removes a massive number of issues.

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Post by hackerlight »

peyton wrote: post #514
Zagill wrote: post #501

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How are we this far into the modern trans rights movement and people still haven't wrapped their brains around sex and gender being two distinct concepts?

It’s a distinction some guy just made up not too long ago. I can see why some people might not consider it a fact of the universe.

All categories are arbitrary distinctions that someone made up at some point, including the categories of biological sex, race, and your birth name. At the very least it would be bullying behavior for me to single you out and call you a different name or different racial group to what you actually are (as defined by the constructs that society has agreed upon).

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Post by Beltalowda »

slg wrote: post #345
partiallypro wrote: post #280

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Babylon Bee being suspended was one of the dumber things the previous Twitter rules had done. It's a satire site, it's right leaning, nothing in the piece they said was hateful or even an unpopular view. Kanye's ban, he's just a mentally ill person. I don't think he meant "death con" he just didn't know that it's actually "def con." His remarks are still reprehensible. Twitter's whole moderation problem has been it i…

>Babylon Bee being suspended was one of the dumber things the previous Twitter rules had done. It's a satire site, it's right leaning, nothing in the piece they said was hateful or even an unpopular view. Twitter banned the Babylon Bee for targeting a random and rather anonymous bureaucrat that likely isn't among the 1000 most powerful people in government in the US for the sole purpose that she is trans. This target…

She's involved in politics at a fairly high level; that's not "a private citizen" or "just a bureaucrat". Furthermore, making a few jokes is neither "harassment" nor "a campaign"; by that standard Twitter should ban a hell of a lot of folk. That people can't be jokes about folks merely because other people are also excessively mean-spirited about them is one of the more baffling ideas of the modern American left.

The real problem, however, is that you don't need to dig very far to see people engage in all sorts of behaviour that's not exactly in accordance with the Twitter rules, ranging from stuff like "just fucking deport the Christians already!!" to "would be a real shame if their face got smashed in with a brick wink wink" and that ... doesn't get moderated. I've reported a bunch of posts like that: always "no action needed, doesn't violate our community terms".

I think a lot of people would have significantly less trouble with Babylon Bee's ban if Twitter didn't let the platform be such a quagmire of nastiness, and then occasionally cherry-pick an example.

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