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jszymborski wrote: post #25
mikkergp wrote: post #7

This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

A bunch of accounts like The Babylon Bee and Ye have been unbanned w/o input from any such committee of diverse viewpoints. I don't have much faith that Musk will not act unilaterally in service of his friends and allies.

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Post by lapcat »

nradov wrote: post #261
lapcat wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone in the world can reply to your tweets. You see replies. Harassment is a huge problem on Twitter.

That's not an actual problem. Just restrict or disable replies. https://www.techadvisor.com/article/741472/how-to-turn-off-r...

This same exact thing was already being discussed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33377115

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Post by pupppet »

ryzvonusef wrote: post #137
pupppet wrote: post #39

So if I go off about how awful the Jews and the gays are, is that a "diverse viewpoint"?

Why not? In my country, these opinions are uttered so openly and commonly that it does not even raise an eyebrow. Infact these are cherished religious beliefs, even. Yet, there are viewpoints that would be considered so utterly innocent in the west as to be as unnoticeable as punctuation, that have led to actual mob violence and lynchings, and I am talking this decade, not some old era bygones. Such speech is conside…

Free speech does not mean everyone deserves a soap box. Nobody has the inherit right for their views to be publicized by a private company.

Try forcing your way in front of a camera at your nearest news station and see how that works out for you.

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Post by such12 »

jasonlotito wrote: post #287
such12 wrote: post #273

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> to ignore the reality of groups of people frequently targeted is silly. He clearly isn’t.

They are downplaying them, which is clearly my point.

I don’t think so. As a PoC, their comment is by definition a reflection of the reality of a targeted group.

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Post by philosopher1234 »

hitpointdrew wrote: post #257
encryptluks2 wrote: post #215

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Because a bunch of white men can't mansplain and understand the challenges women and PoC go through.

This is the most ignorant thing I have read in awhile. Adversity is adversity, white males face it, women face it, PoC face it. What you don't think there are white kids with single moms? Or white kids that had dads that beat them? Or white kids that were molested? Or white kids that got harassed by police? Or white kids that were told to give up, or that they wouldn't amount to anything? Your view of white people is…

Interesting. I imagine that means you're a real champion of improving opportunities for minorities, and spend a substantial amount of your time taking action to try and solve that problem, since adversity is adversity.

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Post by concinds »

jeffbee wrote: post #223
concinds wrote: post #217

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Right. The best balance is to be more lenient on speech moderation, but have fewer algorithmic recommendations and push less "controversial" or popular content onto users' feeds.

See, this right here is where you lost me. > fewer algorithmic recommendations and push less "controversial" or popular content onto users' feeds. There is not ANY 'algorithmic' content on my Twitter feed. Zero! What are you referring to?!

I'm not referring to the "X liked this tweet" feature, which is from my circle.

Twitter added a Topics feature, where it promotes popular tweets. I'll often see random tweets with >100k likes inserted into my feed, though none of the people I follow liked it, and it's not in my interests.

You'll also see such "popular tweets" when you click on any tweet and scroll past the replies. Doesn't always show (especially when there's tons of replies), but it gives you random tweets from outside your circle.

One interesting feature is the "What's happening" (formerly Trends/Hashtags) section on the right, which shows random news stories. They're not determined by popularity, but by fiat; the list is now manually populated by Twitter employees. (They removed plain hashtags and switched to an editorialized list because Trump supporters managed to get "too many" hashtags going during the 2016 campaign. It still shows hashtags occasionally, but they have to get pre-approved before they appear IIRC.) Many of these new Trends don't show all tweets that match a keword; they just show you tweets from a few people selected by Twitter. These[0] is a good example from today. It's a great feature. Musk could create a Twitter News service (like Google News) and expand on that; it would cut off the "cross-silo" communication further, and would reduce polarization and controversy.

[0]: https://twitter.com/i/events/1585823974868414464 and https://twitter.com/i/events/1586015934141153284

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Post by vkou »

retrac wrote: post #119
PaulsWallet wrote: post #77

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> The Internet would have us believe that civil war is imminent. The person who could arguably be considered the third most powerful politician in the US just had their own broken into and their spouse assaulted in a suspected act of domestic terrorism. I wouldn't say "imminent" but if you don't think the possibility is at least somewhere on the table I would consider that being naive.

In 2020 in Ottawa, a man rammed through the gates of the Prime Minister's residence with a vehicle. He was in body armour and carrying multiple firearms. He claims he just wanted to meet with the PM, who thankfully wasn't home at the time. Is Canada on the verge of civil war? Multiple US presidents have been assassinated! Political violence is shocking but not actually so rare that we should latch on to any specific…

> Is Canada on the verge of civil war?

So, the difference between the two countries is that this viewpoint in Canada is a fringe one, while in the United States, it enjoys popular support among mainstream politicians and media. Oh, they don't directly endorse violence, but they are very happy to call for someone to 'remove this turbulent priest'.

That's the difference between fringe lunacy (present in every country, shit happens, you deal with it and move on), and the peaceful political process unraveling.

Just a reminder - one of the presidential candidates in the past two elections has yet to concede that he lost the popular vote in 2016, as well as the popular vote and the electoral college in 2020[1]. This sort of insanity is so far beyond the political pale in Canada, I can't even envision it.

[1] My state's gubernatorial candidate has also yet to concede that he lost 43-56 in 2020. Why even have elections if the losers don't accept the results?

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Post by PM_me_your_math »

AlexandrB wrote: post #250
PM_me_your_math wrote: post #240

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There is still animus between musk and certain groups of thought. Certain people always see the negative and worst case scenario. Others see opportunities with various levels of risk aversion. Clearly Musk is in the latter camp. I said earlier that twitter has been hemorrhaging money to tune of nearly 2 billion over the last 2.5 years. While possible, its likely that Musk can't possibly do worse than the former leade…

> Clearly Musk is in the latter camp. Is he actually thought? If so, why did he try to maneuver out of the deal right up until it was clear he would not be able to?

I'd imagine Twitter withholding data would make any potential buyer have doubts.

He also could have been trying for a better price, which any buyer is foolish not to at least try.

Or he wanted to box them into a deal with a take-away, forcing twitter to publicly state intentions to complete the deal.

All of this, (yours & mine), are still purely speculative.

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