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Post by chasd00 »

kranke155 wrote: post #218

It’s amazing to me that the HN hive mind has decided that somehow one of the most successful people on the planet, who’s built a successful electric car company, a private rocketry company and was part of the people who laid foundation for a “payment system for the internet” is somehow doomed to fail in his new venture. The excitement for this new move seems not just low here but overwhelmingly negative. “It can’t be…

i've said it before, there's much easier money to be made than better against Musk. When presenting a big idea he's pretty much been laughed out of every room he's ever walked into. Then, much to everyone's dismay, he does it. I'm withholding judgment for a few years...

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Post by virgildotcodes »

hitpointdrew wrote: post #182

Finally, diversity of ideas, and not diversity of skin color.

Looking forward to the diverse and valuable ideas on whether or not the Earth is round, climate change is real, and jewish people should or should not have people going death con on them.

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Post by adamredwoods »

jeffbee wrote: post #120

If you are exposed to things on Twitter that are tweeted by people not personally known to you, IMHO you are using Twitter incorrectly. I have no idea why anyone gives a damn what the content moderation policies might be. Speaking for my own account I have never once seen anything said by Trump, Kanye, the pillow guy, any neo nazis, any anti-vaxxers, or anything like that. In what way are people using Twitter that ma…

"But for many women, Twitter is a platform where violence and abuse against them flourishes, often with little accountability. As a company, Twitter is failing in its responsibility to respect women’s rights online by inadequately investigating and responding to reports of violence and abuse in a transparent manner.

The violence and abuse many women experience on Twitter has a detrimental effect on their right to express themselves equally, freely and without fear. Instead of strengthening women’s voices, the violence and abuse many women experience on the platform leads women to self-censor what they post, limit their interactions, and even drives women off Twitter completely."

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/research/2018/03/online-vi...

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Post by PM_me_your_math »

kahrl wrote: post #236
kranke155 wrote: post #218

It’s amazing to me that the HN hive mind has decided that somehow one of the most successful people on the planet, who’s built a successful electric car company, a private rocketry company and was part of the people who laid foundation for a “payment system for the internet” is somehow doomed to fail in his new venture. The excitement for this new move seems not just low here but overwhelmingly negative. “It can’t be…

What happened? The "pretty smart billionaire" started calling anyone who slighted him a pedophile. The "pretty smart billionaire" continues to commit fraud with false promises over at Tesla. The "pretty smart billionaire" seems to have a disdain for his lowly peasant employees.

Whi else did he call a pedophile? I know of only one person.

Do you have any proof of fraud? If so, you should turn it into the SEC.

Musk is not known to give hugs. So what?

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Post by sangnoir »

AustinDev wrote: post #165
jszymborski wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bunch of accounts like The Babylon Bee and Ye have been unbanned w/o input from any such committee of diverse viewpoints. I don't have much faith that Musk will not act unilaterally in service of his friends and allies.

Unsuspended and Kanye's happened before he got there precisely for this framing if I had to guess. Likely a malicious employee.

> Likely a malicious employee.

...or an employee who felt unshackled from the previous management and knew they would have air-support by the time anyone else realized what had happened.

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Post by virgildotcodes »

hitpointdrew wrote: post #226
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You cannot have the former without the latter.

You can have the latter and have a echo chamber of a single narrative, which is exactly twitter was. Then pat your self on the back "OH we are so inclusive look at the the different skin tones!" Yeah but everyone has the same boring ideas so what the fuck does that matter?

If the same boring ideas of that diverse group of men, women, LBGTQ people and PoC are that we need to strive for equality between all of these groups... that is exactly the point.

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Post by paulmd »

fazfq wrote: post #216
encryptluks2 wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that is like saying someone should remove some obscene clothing before entering a private establishment and here you are comparing it to be tortured.

"You may not enter" is the literal definition of banning someone

If you can come back by removing the offending element, you aren't really banned.

"No offensive t-shirts" is not the same thing as being banned lol

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Post by SilverBirch »

kranke155 wrote: post #218

It’s amazing to me that the HN hive mind has decided that somehow one of the most successful people on the planet, who’s built a successful electric car company, a private rocketry company and was part of the people who laid foundation for a “payment system for the internet” is somehow doomed to fail in his new venture. The excitement for this new move seems not just low here but overwhelmingly negative. “It can’t be…

Firstly, I don't think it's a hive mind. All of the threads I've read through have been absolutely split between people who broadly think he's over-estimating himelf/underestimating the problem and people who think everyone else is over-estimating the problem and under-estimating him.

I think the crux of it for me, is that whilst Musk comes at this fresh, he's not proposing fresh solutions. He has repeatedly suggested things that people have already tried, and then pivoted away from - realising the mistakes. It's very difficult to see this news today and not say "Oh, ok, so you're going to replicate Facebook's oversight board?"

I agree with you, he's acheived a lot. At the end of the day though 2+2=4 no matter who you are, and if we're shooting for 5, I might hope Elon can produce 5, but if I hope he's going to produce 5, and his big idea is 2+2, then I'm going to be skeptical. it's not that I think he's an idiot, it's that he's proposing things that are well trodden paths.

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Post by concinds »

uniqueuid wrote: post #87
pjkundert wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The clustering responds to which tweets are up- and down-voted by the agent. And, the agent is moved closer to the clusters they like tweets from, and further from the clusters they dislike tweets from. The more diverse your likes (likes tweets in many other clusters), the broader and less restrictive your cluster weighting is -- the more variety you see. The more restrictive your selection, the less variety. You dec…

Recommender systems for news and social media have been tried, and I don't doubt that there may be niches where they succeed. But large platforms have two massive problems: (1) what people want is popular content, sometimes even content they would downvote. This destroys clustering by creating fuzzy centralized bridges and erodes the usefulness of recommenders (2) people over time have lost trust and interest in high…

Sentiment analysis can solve the first. If the algo notices that someone only engages negatively with another cluster, cut it off; they're not entitled to pollute that.

And the second point was a mostly abstract intellectual debate in the early 2010s, but people have proven that they absolutely prefer to stick with their own, and have close-to-zero tolerance for dissent or disagreement (see, "the hivemind"). Twitter is far more prone to this than Facebook, since it's founded on communities (i.e. clusters) rather than just friends. Twitter just needs to stop putting junk into people's feeds; and silo them better to reduce harassment.

That would also reduce polarization, since a yuge cause for polarization (far-right, antifa) is a knee-jerk reaction to the very worst content from the other side. Stop promoting that, and you'll stop the "Brainwashing Of My Dad" effect (the film), where a conservative from Texas gets upset because of bathroom laws in California, or where a liberal gets upset because of a few 4chan trolls.

It's the psychological phenomenon of "enmeshment": remove the boundaries between people, and you make their relationship very toxic and conflictual. Enforce better boundaries, and their relationship will be far healthier. Twitter promoted the former; Musk can avoid most of the upcoming "hell" being predicted by doing the latter.

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Post by AlexandrB »

PM_me_your_math wrote: post #240
kranke155 wrote: post #218

It’s amazing to me that the HN hive mind has decided that somehow one of the most successful people on the planet, who’s built a successful electric car company, a private rocketry company and was part of the people who laid foundation for a “payment system for the internet” is somehow doomed to fail in his new venture. The excitement for this new move seems not just low here but overwhelmingly negative. “It can’t be…

There is still animus between musk and certain groups of thought. Certain people always see the negative and worst case scenario. Others see opportunities with various levels of risk aversion. Clearly Musk is in the latter camp. I said earlier that twitter has been hemorrhaging money to tune of nearly 2 billion over the last 2.5 years. While possible, its likely that Musk can't possibly do worse than the former leade…

> Clearly Musk is in the latter camp.

Is he actually thought? If so, why did he try to maneuver out of the deal right up until it was clear he would not be able to?

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