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Post by wwweston »

mikkergp wrote: post #7

This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

> Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would.

Take your originally intended actions and obscure responsibility for them until risks of accountability are sufficiently mitigated?

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Post by etchalon »

pjkundert wrote: post #49
pupppet wrote: post #39

So if I go off about how awful the Jews and the gays are, is that a "diverse viewpoint"?

It will be, if Elon implements effective agent-based clustering, such as with K-Means Clustering. "Solving" content moderation is a losing battle -- there is no way to humanly moderate anything at the rate it can be produced, and Elon knows this. It's insane, so he probably won't do it. But, allowing content to be produced, but making sure no real person ever sees it, until the content producer earns their way into "…

Isn't this just shadow-banning, which is already a thing people believe is the same as censorship and enumerate numerous conspiracies about?

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Post by [deleted] »

duxup wrote: post #67

I'm curious what diverse viewpoints even means. Is it "diverse" for twitter? Is that even diverse? In the US there's a very defined almost meme level concept of right or left and folks absolutely want to toss people into those buckets and make all the usual assumptions. Online it's almost impossible for me not to be told what group I fit into ... I'm often told one way one day, the other the next. Is that all there w…

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Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by selwynii »

jstummbillig wrote: post #47
rootusrootus wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the real world, sure. The Internet would have us believe that civil war is imminent. We need to stop letting the 1% of people who bother to post online drive our national dialog. We have put the crazies in charge of the asylum.

> In the real world, sure. Can you point at one? A council with "widely diverse viewpoints" that is actually an effective, tie-braking decision maker?

Sure. The Oversight Board. Facebook did exactly this years ago.

oversightboard.com/decisions

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Post by pjkundert »

uniqueuid wrote: post #65
pjkundert wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will be, if Elon implements effective agent-based clustering, such as with K-Means Clustering. "Solving" content moderation is a losing battle -- there is no way to humanly moderate anything at the rate it can be produced, and Elon knows this. It's insane, so he probably won't do it. But, allowing content to be produced, but making sure no real person ever sees it, until the content producer earns their way into "…

I'd be interested to learn how you think kmeans helps either diversity or hate speech detection. I don't think it helps with any of either, as people's behavior, the context, the language used and sensibilities change across cultures and over time. What you call hate speech now may not be in the future and may not have been in the past. The best you could hope for is creating a fuzzy representation of the most visibl…

The clustering responds to which tweets are up- and down-voted by the agent.

And, the agent is moved closer to the clusters they like tweets from, and further from the clusters they dislike tweets from.

The more diverse your likes (likes tweets in many other clusters), the broader and less restrictive your cluster weighting is -- the more variety you see. The more restrictive your selection, the less variety.

You decide how much of an "echo chamber" you're in. But, if you don't like $BAD_THING, and you downvote enough tweets of $BAD_THING, the less you'll see tweets by people in groups where they like $BAD_THING.

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Post by PaulsWallet »

rootusrootus wrote: post #34
addingadimensio wrote: post #20

It would be amazing if a council with diverse viewpoints could even sit together without killing each other in this day and age. Does this exist anywhere?

In the real world, sure. The Internet would have us believe that civil war is imminent. We need to stop letting the 1% of people who bother to post online drive our national dialog. We have put the crazies in charge of the asylum.

> The Internet would have us believe that civil war is imminent.

The person who could arguably be considered the third most powerful politician in the US just had their own broken into and their spouse assaulted in a suspected act of domestic terrorism. I wouldn't say "imminent" but if you don't think the possibility is at least somewhere on the table I would consider that being naive.

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Post by Krasnol »

mikkergp wrote: post #7

This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

Based upon his build up, this will be a fig leaf/scapegoat .

I don't see anything in his behaviour which would justify your "optimistic" outlook. Sure it won't degenerate in one of those gutter platforms right away but I doubt he'll be able to maintain an acceptable level as long as he's directly involved. He just doesn't make the the impression of an adult person.

imho this may end up being really good for the rest of the internet if it drives away interesting and important people to other platforms.

> scapegoat

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Post by unknownaccount »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #56
hn2017 wrote: post #31

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/28/eu-official-warns-musk-hell-... will still have to oblige. Definitely no "hate speech, incitement to terrorism and child sexual abuse." For his part, Musk has said he wouldn’t allow illegal content on the platform.

At least in the US, there's a lot of noxious speech that's legal. The US has very permissive free speech laws overall.

And conversely the US is one of the most restrictive nations on earth when it comes to speech that supposedly infringes Copyrights or can be interpreted as defamation/slander. The premise that US has anything resembling freedom of speech is completely untrue.

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Post by denton-scratch »

uniqueuid wrote: post #21
deanCommie wrote: post #18

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This is the most important worry. Populism from the far right has adopted a strategy of re-defining key terms such as nation, citizen, fairness, representation. Under these conditions, a highly diverse council will either not be able to decide or will need to decide in favor of maximum leniency. By the way, Adam Curtis made this point in his documentary "HyperNormalisation", where he argued that Trump had hijacked "f…

Redefining terms seems new, but it's a traditional rhetorical tactic. I think it's on the uprise. I think it's a sneaky, deceptive tactic.

I'm a big admirer of Adam Curtis's films!

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