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Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by nrmitchi »

deanCommie wrote: post #18

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I think this (at least the first part) is fairly bang-on.

There is a difference between diversity of "the place where you are forming an opinion", and diversity of what that opinion is.

By saying that a council needs to equally represent diversity of opinions completely ignores how widespread those opinions actually are. Decisions about action to take about going "defcon 3 on the jews" should not need to be decided by a council where you're focusing on equity of diverse opinions; ie, 50% of people think anti-semitism is bad, and 50% think anti-semitism is good. It's a bastardization of the word "diversity" in order to support whatever fringe belief is up for discussion.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

jstummbillig wrote: post #47
rootusrootus wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the real world, sure. The Internet would have us believe that civil war is imminent. We need to stop letting the 1% of people who bother to post online drive our national dialog. We have put the crazies in charge of the asylum.

> In the real world, sure. Can you point at one? A council with "widely diverse viewpoints" that is actually an effective, tie-braking decision maker?

Supreme Court justices, despite their huge partisan differences and passionate disagreements on many individual cases, often talk about how they personally enjoy working with each other. My impression is that this is true of many Congressional committees as well, although it's less legible there because most congressmembers find it politically advantageous to talk about how mad they are at the other party.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by Latty »

assetlabel wrote: post #42
pupppet wrote: post #39

So if I go off about how awful the Jews and the gays are, is that a "diverse viewpoint"?

Diverse in this context means the different people on the council will have very different viewpoints from each other.

Right, so the game becomes making your viewpoint as extreme as possible to shift the window of the council in your favour. What could possibly go wrong.

Not all viewpoints are equally valid. Just finding the middle of the viewpoints that exist isn't moderate because you can't just pretend that all sides have equal numbers of extremists and that somehow their views automatically "cancel out".

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by pjkundert »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #60
pjkundert wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will be, if Elon implements effective agent-based clustering, such as with K-Means Clustering. "Solving" content moderation is a losing battle -- there is no way to humanly moderate anything at the rate it can be produced, and Elon knows this. It's insane, so he probably won't do it. But, allowing content to be produced, but making sure no real person ever sees it, until the content producer earns their way into "…

Advertisers don't want placement next to "bad" content, whether or not the in-group likes that content. (That's probably a big reason why he wants subscription fees to take over advertiser revenue dominance.)

Of course. A wise advertiser would select a subset of the K-Means Clusters to advertise to. Like, probably the "not insane" ones.

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Post by uniqueuid »

pjkundert wrote: post #49
pupppet wrote: post #39

So if I go off about how awful the Jews and the gays are, is that a "diverse viewpoint"?

It will be, if Elon implements effective agent-based clustering, such as with K-Means Clustering. "Solving" content moderation is a losing battle -- there is no way to humanly moderate anything at the rate it can be produced, and Elon knows this. It's insane, so he probably won't do it. But, allowing content to be produced, but making sure no real person ever sees it, until the content producer earns their way into "…

I'd be interested to learn how you think kmeans helps either diversity or hate speech detection.

I don't think it helps with any of either, as people's behavior, the context, the language used and sensibilities change across cultures and over time. What you call hate speech now may not be in the future and may not have been in the past.

The best you could hope for is creating a fuzzy representation of the most visible problematic behavior and try to outrun model-world dealignment by constantly updating it.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by throw_m239339 »

deanCommie wrote: post #18

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> The word "Diverse" has been successfully appropriated and destroyed by the right.

If anything, it has been successfully appropriated and destroyed by intersectionalists on the left, where diverse means anything but diversity of opinions and where people's diversity is just evaluated by racial, religious, sexual and sexual orientation characteristics.

The fact that the "head of diversity" of Apple, a black woman was fired for pointing that out is a proof of the existence of that monopoly by the left.

https://nypost.com/2017/11/17/apples-diversity-chief-lasts-j...

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by duxup »

I'm curious what diverse viewpoints even means. Is it "diverse" for twitter?

Is that even diverse?

In the US there's a very defined almost meme level concept of right or left and folks absolutely want to toss people into those buckets and make all the usual assumptions. Online it's almost impossible for me not to be told what group I fit into ... I'm often told one way one day, the other the next.

Is that all there will be? What happens if say 6 people perceived as on the left and 3 on the right and 4 other people are on there? Will it be credible, or does this al have to match some twitter-ish concept of "diverse"?

A rando executive making decisions and some twitter-ish idea of "diverse" doesn't seem any more likely to be "fair".

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by scarface74 »

darkwizard42 wrote: post #12
scarface74 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course any senior dev can. Isn’t being able to design Twitter a prerequisite to passing a System Design interview at any BigTech company? Edit: I was being sarcastic. I meant to add /s

I think what the parent comment is talking about and what you might have missed out on (though maybe your remark is tongue in cheek as well) is the challenge isn't building something with Twitter's functionality, but building something with its feature fit, timing, and growth. The core platform (while impressive engineering helps keep it running) is a fairly rudimentary idea, but execution is always a totally differe…

I forgot to add the /s

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by MBCook »

mikkergp wrote: post #46
jszymborski wrote: post #25

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A bunch of accounts like The Babylon Bee and Ye have been unbanned w/o input from any such committee of diverse viewpoints. I don't have much faith that Musk will not act unilaterally in service of his friends and allies.

Were they? I know I can see their pages, but I don't see any new content from them. realdonaldtrump is still suspended, I imagine we'll just have to wait to see what happens.

Many of the “unbanned” accounts weren’t banned before and that didn’t change.

They were in Twitter jail (or whatever the term is). The account is there but they couldn’t publish new tweets.

That’s the change to watch for.

He could unban Trump, say he kept his promise, but keep the account locked so that Trump couldn’t actually tweet.

As a hypothetical example.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by jonas21 »

denton-scratch wrote: post #43
trophycase wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to sources he was unbanned before Musk got there

What sources?

Source: Elon Musk

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1586073042534297601

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