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Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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socialismisok wrote: post #92
ohCh6zos wrote: post #66

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Galileo wasn't really under house arrest. All he had to do was recant. The comparison seems apt because while the magnitude of the punishment is out of proportion the refusal to yield to orthodoxy by taking the simple way out is similar.

Babylon Bee isn't under house arrest. This analogy is absurd. They weren't allowed to target hate towards a specific, named individual on their Twitter account. Everything else they were saying was more or less ok. And they still had plenty of other outlets, including their very successful website. This is like a single book publisher telling Galileo, "we won't print this one page, but the rest of the book is ok".

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Post by 5560675260 »

ncallaway wrote: post #111
nemo44x wrote: post #71

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They should be able to joke about anything. There are no sacred cows. If someone doesn’t like their humor then don’t read it. Don’t follow them.

They are allowed to joke about anything. They just aren't allowed to joke about anything anywhere . If Twitter doesn't want them to make those kinds of jokes on their platform, Twitter is free to tell them they can't make those jokes there. That doesn't stop the Babylon Bee from making those jokes. And, if Twitter has changed their mind, Twitter is free to tell them that they can now make those jokes on the platform.…

Twitter is free to set up their moderation policy as it sees fit, but at the same time public is free to criticise Twitter for said moderation policy and the way it's applied. The fact that they can ban Bablylon Bee (under current law) doesn't mean that everyone should just shrug and accept it.

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Post by the_only_law »

monkmartinez wrote: post #168
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #116

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I guess it depends on which side you believe is more toxic. It's strange you would take the side that limiting bigotry, racism, homophobia, and transphobia is what creates toxicity.

Except both sides say the same things in different ways. The side that limits bigotry, racism, homophobia, and transphobia (as you say)... explicitly promotes bigotry against ideas they don't hold dear (alt-right, etc), racial prejudice, glorification of transgender and homosexual values. I don't care what you practice, just don't shove it in my face and tell me to love it.

> I don't care what you practice, just don't shove it in my face and tell me to love it.

Then you better do the damn same.

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Post by fallingknife »

xadhominemx wrote: post #211
fallingknife wrote: post #137

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And if you want to make that argument, fine. But when people are banning those who disagree, I will reflexively side with those banned and against the people doing the banning, whether or not I agree with them.

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That's not an argument

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Post by gremlinsinc »

commandlinefan wrote: post #189
pjkundert wrote: post #120

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Something tells me that a lot of the people who've spent the last ten years insisting that "they're a private company, they can do whatever they want" are going to change their minds about that.

Probably not because us in the left are generally non conformist. We don't just go with the flow because we're expected or follow party lines...

I'm not a Biden fan but even if Bernie had an allegation against him I'd say let's hear it and get the truth.

Truth matters, facts matter, and nobody should be above the law or the TOS as it may be for a private company.

Though, if they stray too far one way politically they risk finding it hard to find developers and having their apps slapped by Google and Apple or even cloudflare, or a mass Exodus of members to a new platform.

Personally I think some hybrid of Twitter and TikTok will hit soon that'll basically end fb, and twitters dominance.... Reddit will be fine though. But something better for short form content in video, audio, and text formats.

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Post by NaturalPhallacy »

weeblewobble wrote: post #216
NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #186

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They were suspended with a little Maoist struggle session setup that they were required to go through to repent their sins, and included is an admission that they were sinners for doing it, in order to get their account back. You left that very important part out.

They had to delete the tweet which awarded a specific named transwoman "man of the year award". The tweet was cruel identity-based harassment and not worthy of defense, but it for some reason seems to have radicalized a certain segment of the tech elite. In fact it may very well have been the inciting event that led to Musk's purchase of twitter. Anyway, having to delete your harassment tweet in order to keep tweetin…

Twitter could have just deleted it for them. But no, they literally went to the trouble of building and testing code where you have to delete your own tweet, and part of doing is to so admit that what you did was "wrong". This is a textbook Maoist struggle session.

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Post by pessimizer »

fallingknife wrote: post #122
socialismisok wrote: post #56

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Will he unban ISIS recruiting accounts? Will he unban Trump? Alex Jones? He's not a free speech absolutist, he's just making room for his personal ideology. He doesn't need to ban leftists to achieve his goal of pushing them off the platform.

Why is it that if you allow both left and right, the left will leave?

The "left" catches constant bans on twitter. Democrats won't leave; it's just pretending, like when rich people say they'll leave the state over taxes, or when Democrats said they'd leave the country if Trump were elected. It isn't that they don't want to see things said that they don't agree with, it's that they don't want things that they disagree with to be said, anywhere.

Leaving twitter would just mean FOMO on all the stuff that people were getting away with saying.

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Post by [deleted] »

electrondood wrote: post #182
txsoftwaredev wrote: post #7

Great, they should have never been banned to begin with.

Fully disagree. They publicly mocked a trans person, in clear violation of the TOS that all users agree to as a condition of use of the platform. They were then temporarily suspended, as clearly laid out in the TOS. Twitter says "Hey, if X, then Y." Babylon Bee says "Yeah, ok." Babylon Bee does X, and experiences Y. They are not victims, and there is no "violation of free speech" here.

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Post by NaturalPhallacy »

labrador wrote: post #65

Babylon Bee seems pretty harmless. I find right wing humor to be fairly low-IQ, but they should be able to joke about trans women without getting banned. I'm a recovering alcoholic and bipolar, so I have to put up with jokes about drunks and manic street preachers. Why should trans get a pass? Heck, I even tell jokes about drunks and manic street preachers myself.

>Babylon Bee seems pretty harmless.

It's as harmful as The Onion. Which is to say, not.

I think The Onion is funny, but the bee is funnier. They're even better at mocking themselves than any of their haters are: https://babylonbee.com/news/babylon-bee-writers-struggling-t...

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Post by muaytimbo »

pessimizer wrote: post #207
socialismisok wrote: post #161

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The evidence is plain. Observe who gets unbanned. Observe who gets to operate again. I guarantee you it won't include all ideas. Want to be a radical terror org on Twitter? Or a doxxer? Or revenge porn poster? Or a spammer? Or the klan? Skinhead neonazi group posting racist memes? Etc etc. I'm willing to bet these things stay banned. Because despite self describing as a free speech absolutist, he's really not comfort…

How can evidence from the future already be plain?

read my mind, I guess the way to win an argument is to assert you already know future outcomes.
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