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Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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I imagine this will do a speed run of unbanning -> turning into a cesspit of toxicity because ‘free speech’ -> lots of people leave because it’s so unpleasant. It’ll be fun to watch though, as someone that’s never valued the site.

> turning into a cesspit of toxicity because ‘free speech’

Twitter is already a cesspit of toxicity because of the lack of free speech. This won't make it any worse.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Great, they should have never been banned to begin with.

What were they banned for? Looking through the content, I don't see any of the egregious hate speech or incitement of violence that we've seen in other bans like Trump.

They gave a trans woman their man of the year award and tweeted about it. Twitter said misgendering is against their rules and blocked the account until they deleted the tweet.

Babylon Bee felt attacked and refused to delete the tweet, so they just left their own account locked.

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Why was it suspended in the first place?

They selected Rachel Levine as their pick for "Man of the Year", although she is a transgender woman. Babylon Bee says that she is a man, and the truth cannot be hate speech. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Levine Honestly I would agree with Babylon Bee if it would be just for satire, like giving a funny award to a transgender woman, I get it, but they are not in it for the jokes, they are in it for the truth as…

Surely the truth can be hate speech. For example, a statement like “I hate X and I call on my followers to organize and commit against X” would surely be hate speech even if it’s true.

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post #38

It'll be very interesting to see what advertisers stick around through all this mayhem.

Very few.

Advertisers are the most conservative group in any ecosystem and they have plenty of other options for their advertising spend. Twitter will be no different.

Americans like to make a big deal about wokeness but the concept doesn't really resonate in other countries and Twitter is a global business. So it will be interesting to see how Musk reconciles these dynamics.

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It isn't offensive, and no (reasonable) people are claiming it is. What's not appropriate, is referring to the person that exists today, as Ellen Page.

She’s the same person!

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> Elon doesn't actually believe in a free marketplace of ideas, Is he banning left wing accounts? Is there any evidence of what you say?

Will he unban ISIS recruiting accounts? Will he unban Trump? Alex Jones?

He's not a free speech absolutist, he's just making room for his personal ideology. He doesn't need to ban leftists to achieve his goal of pushing them off the platform.

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>"Elon doesn't actually believe in a free marketplace of ideas, he believes in ensuring views he agrees with are available."

This may just be a quirk of how this sentence was written, but wouldn't ensuring agreeable views that were once removed not count towards enlarging the marketplace of ideas? It may never be totally free, but he doesn't seem to be contracting what can be in the marketplace.

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It was locked, in a process where they force you to explicitly admit your tweet broke the rules before you can get your account back. There's more context here: https://babylonbee.com/news/twitter-has-shut-down-the-bee

> in a process where they force you to explicitly admit your tweet broke the rules before you can get your account back. What a power move. That sounds like a struggle session. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denunciation_rally

It’s exactly what it is. It is designed to humiliate you and to warn others. This has been the progressive playbook the last 10 years. It’s the same playbook the Chinese communists used as well as the Spanish Inquisition and other authoritarian movements.

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Wikipedia's name policy is to include names that someone was notable under. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biog... This includes trans individuals, such as Chelsea Manning or Elliot Page, who have their birth name in their respective articles. For some reason, these Wikipedia editorial decisions are extra controversial around tra…

Elton John was notable as Reginald Kenneth Dwight?

The notability requirement is specifically for transgender and non-binary individuals.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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The problem for Musk is that Twitter never banned them for being right-wing.

They were banned for undeniable, crystal-clear breaches of their terms of service.

Is Musk going to allow child porn, inciteful content, doxxing ? This is an unwindable situation.

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