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Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Here's the article: https://babylonbee.com/news/the-babylon-bees-man-of-the-year... There's also a lot more history as well. Elon has done a [serious] interview with the Babylon Bee before [1] and also propped them on Twitter [2]. When they were banned he contacted the head of the site to confirm they had been suspended, and even mentioned to him that he might have to buy the site to fix their behaviors. [3] That was…

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It's mean and petty

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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I imagine this will do a speed run of unbanning -> turning into a cesspit of toxicity because ‘free speech’ -> lots of people leave because it’s so unpleasant. It’ll be fun to watch though, as someone that’s never valued the site.

Twitter will inevitably return to its current state. Gettr, Parler, and Truth Social all quietly discovered this lesson and had to figure out moderation and started banning users.

Welcome to hell, Elon:

https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitt...

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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What were they banned for? Looking through the content, I don't see any of the egregious hate speech or incitement of violence that we've seen in other bans like Trump.

They gave a trans woman their man of the year award and tweeted about it. Twitter said misgendering is against their rules and blocked the account until they deleted the tweet. Babylon Bee felt attacked and refused to delete the tweet, so they just left their own account locked.

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Stopping people from stating facts and forcing them to respect the emperor's new clothes by force creates toxicity, yes.

Which facts, specifically. Please go on the record.

>Which facts, specifically. Please go on the record.

This is incitement.

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It's not "absolutely true in the scientific sense", except at the "I have an understanding of high school level biology and sociology" sense. Sex and gender are both significantly more complex than just chromosomes, genitalia, or organs. If you are interested, I'm happy to dive into a good faith discussion of where the science actually falls.

Ahh yes the good ol' let me talk down on someone with their "elementary" level of knowledge is always a great way to start a "good faith discussion". EDIT: Intersex does not turn the male/female binary into a "spectrum".

I didn't talk down. Genuinely, high school biology teaches us that there are two sexes XX it's a woman, XY it's a man. That's literally what we learn.

It's only after you dive into the science at a collegiate level or higher that you learn there's a small percentage, maybe 1-2% of people, for whom this binary understanding is not a good model.

I'm not saying it's bad to only have a high school understanding, just that it's an incomplete understanding.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Their account was never banned and could always be viewed. There's nothing in this post that indicates anything has changed. From last week: https://web.archive.org/web/20221019005155/https://twitter.c...

Right, AFAIK they were prevented from posting by one of those interstitials demanding that they delete a specific tweet in order to access their account. Still no new posts from the account so presumably that is still the case.

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I'm not sure if they felt 'attacked'- more that they were standing up for their right to do what they do (satire) without being censored and giving into the censorship by deleting the tweet. The 'mis-gendering' in this case was absolutely truthful in a scientific sense, thereby making their point that truth being somehow harmful in today's society. Whether you agree that's a 'good' point or not it seems to fall squar…

It's not "absolutely true in the scientific sense", except at the "I have an understanding of high school level biology and sociology" sense. Sex and gender are both significantly more complex than just chromosomes, genitalia, or organs. If you are interested, I'm happy to dive into a good faith discussion of where the science actually falls.

Not really, no.

Sex, scientifically, is determined by the kind of gametes an organism produces in sexual maturity. Males produce small sex cells, females produce large sex cells. There is no overlap among mammals (i.e. human sex is “binary”)

Gender is a concept made up by feminists with no consistent definition, use mainly to confuse.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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I imagine this will do a speed run of unbanning -> turning into a cesspit of toxicity because ‘free speech’ -> lots of people leave because it’s so unpleasant. It’ll be fun to watch though, as someone that’s never valued the site.

> turning into a cesspit of toxicity because ‘free speech’ Twitter is already a cesspit of toxicity because of the lack of free speech. This won't make it any worse.

I don't understand how people keep conflating First Amendment Constitutional rights with the additional layer of "this is a private platform, we prefer not to have it overrun with assholes that make it really unpleasant for everyone else."

1A rights apply to GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE in your expression.

There is no "lack of free speech on Twitter," nor do they owe anyone unrestricted freedom to spread disinfo and hate speech.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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It's not "absolutely true in the scientific sense", except at the "I have an understanding of high school level biology and sociology" sense. Sex and gender are both significantly more complex than just chromosomes, genitalia, or organs. If you are interested, I'm happy to dive into a good faith discussion of where the science actually falls.

Why not assume there are many readers here who are interested in good faith discussion and just go ahead and post a summary of the science?

Typically because that could be a long post, and it might not be what the parent wants too engage with.

I like to invite folks, rather than make assumptions about their preferences. The invitation is open to the community, of course!

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Babylon Bee seems pretty harmless. I find right wing humor to be fairly low-IQ, but they should be able to joke about trans women without getting banned. I'm a recovering alcoholic and bipolar, so I have to put up with jokes about drunks and manic street preachers. Why should trans get a pass? Heck, I even tell jokes about drunks and manic street preachers myself.

Just because you have to put up with jokes doesn't make it right. Those people get it all the time and it adds up. While you might be comfortable with it others are not. Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9n_UPyVR5s and tell me you don't see the parallels
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