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Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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I'm not sure if they felt 'attacked'- more that they were standing up for their right to do what they do (satire) without being censored and giving into the censorship by deleting the tweet. The 'mis-gendering' in this case was absolutely truthful in a scientific sense, thereby making their point that truth being somehow harmful in today's society. Whether you agree that's a 'good' point or not it seems to fall squar…

It's not "absolutely true in the scientific sense", except at the "I have an understanding of high school level biology and sociology" sense. Sex and gender are both significantly more complex than just chromosomes, genitalia, or organs. If you are interested, I'm happy to dive into a good faith discussion of where the science actually falls.

Why not assume there are many readers here who are interested in good faith discussion and just go ahead and post a summary of the science?

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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What were they banned for? Looking through the content, I don't see any of the egregious hate speech or incitement of violence that we've seen in other bans like Trump.

They gave a trans woman their man of the year award and tweeted about it. Twitter said misgendering is against their rules and blocked the account until they deleted the tweet. Babylon Bee felt attacked and refused to delete the tweet, so they just left their own account locked.

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Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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What were they banned for? Looking through the content, I don't see any of the egregious hate speech or incitement of violence that we've seen in other bans like Trump.

They gave a trans woman their man of the year award and tweeted about it. Twitter said misgendering is against their rules and blocked the account until they deleted the tweet. Babylon Bee felt attacked and refused to delete the tweet, so they just left their own account locked.

For some context, and why some believe that Babylon Bee's suspension was the catalyst for Musk buying Twitter:

Twitter is the defacto online public square for a great number of people in politics, journalism, academia and many other fields.

Twitter's TOS was, for whatever reason, deliberately written to disenfranchise half the voter base, half the country more or less by making it so simply expressing deeply held political or religious views would get half of them banned.

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I imagine this will do a speed run of unbanning -> turning into a cesspit of toxicity because ‘free speech’ -> lots of people leave because it’s so unpleasant. It’ll be fun to watch though, as someone that’s never valued the site.

You know what would be sweeter than shadenfreud? For Elon to find a way to make it a bit easier for people to understand each other. Maybe it's unlikely but it doesn't seem impossible, and I'd rather root for that success.

Eliminating the character limit would help. It allows people to include nuance and encourages more in-depth discussion, rather than trying to fit an "own" in 280 characters or less.

I'm convinced that the collapse of sensible political discussion happened for two reasons: The Internet gave every dumbass a megaphone, and the rise of Twitter removing all nuance from the discussions.

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Myocarditis in young men below the age of 18 from the vaccine is real and verified. This was even shown by the CDC during the ACIP meeting for the bivalent booster. It's roughly about 1 in 5000 chance of getting myocarditis, and about 1/3 of the patients are still suffering from it 90 days after diagnosis.

I'm sure it is real, but that's not the point. A fact can be true but still be amplified far beyond its actual significance relative to other things that are also true, and that seems like what's happening here. I'm seeing a lot of people citing the exact same highly-dubious articles, which takes us further from figuring out the empirical truth on a complex set of issues. Those citations are also often accompanied by…

If you're going to call something "disinfo," that thing should at a minimum be required to be untrue.

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It will only become worse for those who benefited from Twitter’s censorship.

I had to think a minute, but I agree with you. Lots of unmoderated free speech will make Twitter worse for ordinary folks, who don't want to be spammed with ads, but also an assortment of porn, aggressive politics bot and weirdos.

> who don't want to be spammed with ads, but also an assortment of porn, aggressive politics bot and weirdos.

Are we talking about the same website here? Because twitter has been full of this for many years. Maybe you just don't notice it because the content in question is politically agreeable to you.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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I'm not sure if they felt 'attacked'- more that they were standing up for their right to do what they do (satire) without being censored and giving into the censorship by deleting the tweet. The 'mis-gendering' in this case was absolutely truthful in a scientific sense, thereby making their point that truth being somehow harmful in today's society. Whether you agree that's a 'good' point or not it seems to fall squar…

It's not "absolutely true in the scientific sense", except at the "I have an understanding of high school level biology and sociology" sense. Sex and gender are both significantly more complex than just chromosomes, genitalia, or organs. If you are interested, I'm happy to dive into a good faith discussion of where the science actually falls.

And if you want to make that argument, fine. But when people are banning those who disagree, I will reflexively side with those banned and against the people doing the banning, whether or not I agree with them.

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Wikipedia's name policy is to include names that someone was notable under. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biog... This includes trans individuals, such as Chelsea Manning or Elliot Page, who have their birth name in their respective articles. For some reason, these Wikipedia editorial decisions are extra controversial around tra…

Elton John was notable as Reginald Kenneth Dwight?

His career started in 1962 as RD and he legally changed his name to EJ in 1972. I think 10 years of being a reasonably famous musician under a name is notable, no?

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I think you should be banned for such a comment. There is an inherent distinction between being born with something versus something you acquired during your life. Many trans people live their entire lives not feeling like they belong in the body they were born in. For them it's no different to being born black, white etc.

That’s the way you feel about the issue.

The Babylon bee and I don’t agree, which is precisely what this thread is about.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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I'm not sure if they felt 'attacked'- more that they were standing up for their right to do what they do (satire) without being censored and giving into the censorship by deleting the tweet. The 'mis-gendering' in this case was absolutely truthful in a scientific sense, thereby making their point that truth being somehow harmful in today's society. Whether you agree that's a 'good' point or not it seems to fall squar…

They don’t have the right to say hateful things about someone on someone else’s platform. They had a privilege, which was conditionally revoked.

Like satirists posting pictures of Muhammad?
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