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Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by kingboss »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #238
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #30

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Their numbers seem utterly unreal to me. How on earth do you sell $205 billion worth of just a single product (iPhone) every year? This is simply the greatest business to have ever been created. I can't imagine anything else ever topping it. The margins AND the volume are both insane.

I find it more depressing than anything else. The amount of those sales that was actually needed instead of upgraded for vanity is quite small. Imagine all the wasted resources and e waste so someone can have a different model number that is one higher for their phone, so they can feel better than their friends and spend more time looking at their phone. Our largest company is based on profiting from human greed and…

Get off your high horse... Newer phones are better than older phones. Especially the cameras, which matter to a lot of people.

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by rswail »

jimbob45 wrote: post #22
FullyFunctional wrote: post #16

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You mean AAG? :) both Facebook and Netflix have slid dramatically from their prior glory.

There's an argument to be made for one or all of Microsoft, Tesla, and Google to be included in there (I'm not calling them Alphabet and I'm not calling Facebook Meta I don't care how much you pay me).

Why would you include Tesla in there?

They've got a huge market cap at an absurd P/E ratio, but they don't have anything approaching a huge market share of vehicles, quick search shows 19% of the EV market, which is only 10-20% of the overall vehicle market.

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by kingboss »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #443
skc wrote: post #422

I actually like that Apple completely obliterates the fiction that people don't want a walled garden. It's such a minority as to be utterly irrelevant. These insane numbers prove it.

Isn't it the classic Apple saying that the people don't know what they want? Not to mention the whole 1984 ad being against the Microsoft walled garden. If anything Apple's own popularity proves that walled gardens should be dismantled at some point.

I like the walled garden. It's one of their competitive advantage. I don't want it dismantled. I don't want to androidify apple. And I am fine paying a premium to keep that walled garden and people who want it dismantled off the platform :)

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

skc wrote: post #422

I actually like that Apple completely obliterates the fiction that people don't want a walled garden. It's such a minority as to be utterly irrelevant. These insane numbers prove it.

People smoke, use drugs, over eat and drive drunk if allowed to do so.

Socially, people go back to abusing spouses, practice deshumanizing religious acts, elect politicians that just lied to them and buy products that have let them down before.

We do a lot of things that bad for us, that doesn't mean it's a good thing.

If heroin was legal, I'm pretty sure the company selling it would make a good quarter report as well.

It doesn't mean apple doesn't do a lot of things right. It does. People are not very technical, they want sane default. They don't want to fiddle with tech. And apple provides that. In exchange, however, people accept the lock in.

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Post by goosedragons »

skc wrote: post #422

I actually like that Apple completely obliterates the fiction that people don't want a walled garden. It's such a minority as to be utterly irrelevant. These insane numbers prove it.

How many know they want a walled garden or that they are even in one? I don't think most users realize or realize that Android allows getting apps outside the Play Store.

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by raydiatian »

kingboss wrote: post #463
mupuff1234 wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it the classic Apple saying that the people don't know what they want? Not to mention the whole 1984 ad being against the Microsoft walled garden. If anything Apple's own popularity proves that walled gardens should be dismantled at some point.

I like the walled garden. It's one of their competitive advantage. I don't want it dismantled. I don't want to androidify apple. And I am fine paying a premium to keep that walled garden and people who want it dismantled off the platform :)

The hidden premium is that you either pay for planned obsolescence (your hardware going to 3mph after 4 OS upgrades) or you stop upgrading your OS. It makes everything 3x as expensive as you think, I bet we all replace our Apple hardware more frequently than we’d like to admit. Unless one of you winners is still rocking that iPhone 4S.

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Post by goosedragons »

BoorishBears wrote: post #306
fy20 wrote: post #302

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Most laptops have the fan speeds set overly aggressive. I bought a Asus Zephyrus last year and by default the fan was coming on and off every few seconds, I tweaked the fan profile and boost policy so now it rarely comes on at all for regular day to day work. CPU temperatures stay under 55C.

And that's how Apple spoils you. There are M1 machines with fans, but you can rest assured they did the tuning so that you don't end up paying thousands for a machine with poorly thought out fan curves that don't incorporate basic hysteresis.

No. Apple just has their own poorly thought out fan curves just with different priorities. You can see this really easily on the Intel models where they don't even bother to turn on the fan until it hits something dumb like 90C. Quieter sure but I doubt good for long-term life of the hardware. It also had a negative impact on performance.

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Post by ece »

roguesherlock wrote: post #323
jerojero wrote: post #180

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I would like to use iPhones, they have really good cameras and very good video-recording capabilities. But sadly a lot of the apps I use are not available in the app store. To me, this is a deal breaker. Hardware-wise the product is good, but I'm not just taking pictures and chatting on snapchat. I do a bit more with my phone. For my mom, however, the phone is great and does everything she expects it to do.

This is interesting cause it’s exactly the opposite for me. I’ve pixel 6a right next to me but my sim is still on my iPhone cause I just can’t find the apps I want on the android :)

Apple is free to bring the App Store to Android, while Google can't do the same.

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Post by 411111111111111 »

goosedragons wrote: post #465
skc wrote: post #422

I actually like that Apple completely obliterates the fiction that people don't want a walled garden. It's such a minority as to be utterly irrelevant. These insane numbers prove it.

How many know they want a walled garden or that they are even in one? I don't think most users realize or realize that Android allows getting apps outside the Play Store.

As a person that's been using Android since 2.1: that's a feature that's completely unnecessary to the average consumer.

I use it frequently as I use f-droid, but let's face it: Android is a (less successful) walled garden too.

Nothing would change if Apple allowed third party stores either.

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by ladyanita22 »

gt565k wrote: post #339

I used to be a die hard android and Linux user, cuz you know it was all hip. I got frustrated with android phones never being updated in the early days. Linux always having video driver issues with multiple monitors and a crappy UI. A buddy gave me his old iPhone 5 to use when like the 7 or 8 was already out. The 5 was still better than my 1 year old android phone that I broke. Apple just gets hardware right. Id neve…

I wonder which 1 year old Android phone you had...
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