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Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by fomine3 »

bee_rider wrote: post #326
tcmart14 wrote: post #162

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I switched to my first iPhone last year and for me the determining factor was not feeling I had to constantly be on the upgrade path. I've has my iPhone SE (2020) and haven't been happier with a phone. A taken care of iPhone can theoretically last 7-8 years since that is how long an iPhone generally gets OS and security updates. Android is getting better on flagship phones, but still not as good. By some none flagshi…

> Addition: And I think one thing that really hurt the Android ecosystem is when Android phones went through that phase of every phone flagship phone had some sort of gimmick. Where as Apple really just buttoned down and developed a really solid phone. A lot of android phone makers were just focusing on gimmicks like styluses or niche features to set them apart from other Android instead of just really developing a g…

I don't know. Only a few premium models support stylus. Rather, I think most Android phones are too similar than ecosystem should. Most phones are just big heavy and camera-focused. There are some gimmicks like Galaxy's edge screen but not every phone. Speaking about gimmicks, Dynamic Island. You may just want to say Android phone is crappier than iPhone.

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Post by smoldesu »

bee_rider wrote: post #329
smoldesu wrote: post #261

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That's great, I support that option for you. Personally, I just want to use the Open Source apps that Apple won't let me install. If I can have that, then there's no reason we can't both live in perfect harmony. That system works perfectly fine on Android and Google even manages to make a handsome bundle off the Play Store to boot.

Yeah, I don't really want an EPIC store on my phone, but I'd love a GNU repo. I dunno. Maybe Apple could allow stores on their phones, but still take a % of any purchases, to annoy EPIC and their ilk into buggering off.

You're not getting an official GNU repo if Apple still takes a cut. They'd only set one up on their terms, which Apple is chronically incapable of cooperating with.

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Post by sumedh »

TMWNN wrote: post #8
est31 wrote: post #5

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2% of (nominal) US GDP! If Apple were a country, it would rank in the top 30.

Harry Truman said in 1945 about the atomic bomb, "We thank God that it has come to us, instead of to our enemies". I feel the same way about Apple and FAANG and Silicon Valley as a whole (and Wall Street, and Hollywood, and SpaceX/Tesla, and the Ivy League), that they are in the United States. That doesn't mean I approve of everything they do. That doesn't mean I can't or won't decry their putting thumbs on scales to…

US has lot of advantages, a huge single market, strong currency, startup culture, low corruption, almost good justice system.

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Post by kube-system »

tcmart14 wrote: post #162
tshaddox wrote: post #126

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> Apple makes one of the best in class of these devices, and has successfully designed one such that it's hard to switch to a competitor (rather it's easier to stay in the ecosystem). I wonder how many years it will take before I can convince some people that I actually just prefer Apple's phones to competing phones and that I'm not actually brainwashed or forced by Apple to never leave. But that's exactly what a bra…

I switched to my first iPhone last year and for me the determining factor was not feeling I had to constantly be on the upgrade path. I've has my iPhone SE (2020) and haven't been happier with a phone. A taken care of iPhone can theoretically last 7-8 years since that is how long an iPhone generally gets OS and security updates. Android is getting better on flagship phones, but still not as good. By some none flagshi…

> when Android phones went through that phase of every phone flagship phone had some sort of gimmick

I don’t think they ever grew out of it.

https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/galaxy-z/

https://www.motorola.com/us/smartphones-razr-family

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by smoldesu »

bnj wrote: post #310
smoldesu wrote: post #261

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That's great, I support that option for you. Personally, I just want to use the Open Source apps that Apple won't let me install. If I can have that, then there's no reason we can't both live in perfect harmony. That system works perfectly fine on Android and Google even manages to make a handsome bundle off the Play Store to boot.

I used to think of this in terms of, “it doesn’t hurt me if other people can install whatever they like on their phones.” However, when I thought it out, I realized that if the App Store wasn’t the one and only distribution model for apps, then profit motives would push companies to use those other mechanisms—presumably competing app stores like steam, or just installation of apps ala carte. I realized that I’m not e…

Correction: profit motives would push Apple to fix the App Store, since it would no longer be competitive with the offerings smaller companies can build for themselves. Which is a good thing - Apple admit the 30% cut was excessive and reluctantly dropped the cut for select users. The long-term solution is forcing them to compete with the rest of the industry, which is what will foster healthy relationships with developers instead of Apple holding their users and developers in a Mexican standoff.

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by sumedh »

dumpsterdiver wrote: post #311
pavlov wrote: post #7

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So Apple Watch and AirPods is almost as big a business as the Mac. Wow, I didn’t realize that. Quite a vindication of Tim Cook’s decade at the helm.

I used to blame Tim for design decisions that lead to the keyboard fiasco and the touchbar (I just felt like it never would have happened if Jobs was still there). After seeing the tremendous success that he's lead the company to my view has softened a bit. Even if those atrocities might have been avoided if Jobs was still around, there's no denying at this point that Tim was the right choice for CEO.

> I used to blame Tim for design decisions that lead to the keyboard fiasco and the touchbar

Was that Tim or Ive?

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Post by bee_rider »

sumedh wrote: post #334
TMWNN wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Harry Truman said in 1945 about the atomic bomb, "We thank God that it has come to us, instead of to our enemies". I feel the same way about Apple and FAANG and Silicon Valley as a whole (and Wall Street, and Hollywood, and SpaceX/Tesla, and the Ivy League), that they are in the United States. That doesn't mean I approve of everything they do. That doesn't mean I can't or won't decry their putting thumbs on scales to…

US has lot of advantages, a huge single market, strong currency, startup culture, low corruption, almost good justice system.

World's biggest moat and a general lack of big, angry neighbors.

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by gt565k »

I used to be a die hard android and Linux user, cuz you know it was all hip. I got frustrated with android phones never being updated in the early days. Linux always having video driver issues with multiple monitors and a crappy UI. A buddy gave me his old iPhone 5 to use when like the 7 or 8 was already out. The 5 was still better than my 1 year old android phone that I broke.

Apple just gets hardware right. Id never buy a non Apple product for my phone or laptop. They have the edge now especially more so with the latest silicon.

Vertical integration works when done right and Apple does it best.

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by hoot »

kube-system wrote: post #335
tcmart14 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched to my first iPhone last year and for me the determining factor was not feeling I had to constantly be on the upgrade path. I've has my iPhone SE (2020) and haven't been happier with a phone. A taken care of iPhone can theoretically last 7-8 years since that is how long an iPhone generally gets OS and security updates. Android is getting better on flagship phones, but still not as good. By some none flagshi…

> when Android phones went through that phase of every phone flagship phone had some sort of gimmick I don’t think they ever grew out of it. https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/galaxy-z/ https://www.motorola.com/us/smartphones-razr-family

I bought a Galaxy fold last week and returned it yesterday. The form factor and larger screen was cool, but holy cow did Android feel like a huge downgrade from iOS. It was just all kinds of little quality of life things in iOS that I instantly missed. I think I needed something like one extra button press to get to the flashlight on Android and that did me in.
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