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Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Post by hombre_fatal »

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #207
panda-giddiness wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm suggesting that Bumble shouldn't be the judge of what messages are appropriate to send or not. But they absolutely should provide filtering tools and feedback to users to reduce low quality or obnoxious behavior. That's an untenable position. Bumble should (and does) block pornographic, illegal, or harassing content. As already mentioned in the post, sending unsolicited nudes is illegal in at least one jurisdic…

If you let users add an "is okay with nudes" flag, to their profile, then those who want could just consent to receiving unsolicited nudes while anyone else can have a safe experience free of unexpected sausage. I don't see how that is in any way less practical than outright blocking everything.

I imagine you’re a guy thinking about how you don’t mind a free pic of some sweet leche carriers landing in your inbox, but the only women who send unsolicited nudes are OnlyFans spammers.

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Post by [deleted] »

elevenoh wrote: post #199
qubex wrote: post #165

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> rare as it might be, there are people of both genders who actually enjoy receiving unsolicited nudes I’m a nudist. I don’t enjoy receiving “unsolicited nudes” but a lot of acquaintances from that zone of my life do send photographs that sometimes depict them undressed in pursuit of whatever activity it is they’re depicting — usually the body in the picture is not the point of the exercise. This just impedes the day…

I'm amazed by silicon valley's general puritan/orthodox stance on nudity Nudism is great for the soul - to anyone reading, try it!

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Post by deltasevennine »

yosito wrote: post #130

I was permanently banned from Tinder for trying to upload a picture of myself holding a pepper from my garden. I can only assume that Tinder's AI thought the pepper looked like an unacceptable body part. I am absolutely in favor of using AI to combat unsolicited nudes as long as it's implemented something like: on the sender's side, show a warning before sending that the image appears to be in bad taste and asking fo…

>Yet, as rare as it might be, there are people of both genders who actually enjoy receiving unsolicited nudes. And people who enjoy sexual pickup lines. The judgement call of what is/isn't going to be attractive or appropriate ought be to left in the hands of the individuals dating as much as possible rather than controlled by a priest at a tech company.

Everybody enjoys all these things if it comes from the right person. All women and men would welcome a dick pic of a boob flash from the right conditions and from the right person.

There's also a sex imbalance as well. Women are picky, thus the "right" people that send these things to them encompass probably the top 1% of the population. For men the opposite is true. Boob pics are welcome from likely 75% of the population. Also men have a much lower fear response and disgust response from advances from the wrong people so the other 25% aren't too big of an issue either. Not a hard statistics but you get my point.

Thus the result is a fundamental misunderstanding between both sexes. Many Men would welcome a daily boob pic from a well endowed woman from bumble. And some men are dumb enough to assume women want the same thing. Women on the other hand aren't typically as stupid, but they're much much more cautious in their approach; but they certainly understand men and have capitalized this kind of thing on OF and porn. Women are delusional in the sense that a lot of them think some perfect man who thinks like them exists (probably does 0.01% of the population is my guess) and that they can land this man.

Largely this dick pic offense is a sort of issue raised exclusively by females. A lot of men buy into it too, but it's usually only because they empathize with women. The great majority of men themselves never experience it as raw disgust or fear the way women do.

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Post by benj111 »

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #206
benj111 wrote: post #190

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At what point does a nude become unsolicited though? I mean this is a dating site. If I put my arm around someone or lean in for a kiss that could be unsolicited but shouldn't be illegal in the context of a date. Similarly dirty talking in a date is different to doing it in the office. I suppose this could be dealt with through user preferences (don't show nudes/ doesn't appreciate nudes) but the line seems blurred i…

It's honestly baffling that I have to explain this, but: Expressing interest in finding someone to date does not imply any form of consent to being sent nudes. Some people might want that, and for them it would make sense if platforms added an opt-in feature to signal their interest in unsolicited nudes, or to opt-out of whatever form of filtering there might be. But the default should be that you can open an app for…

Well I've already covered the second two paragraphs.

And I didn't claim the first paragraph was the case.

But I can see a flirty conversation getting to a point where sending a nude might be reasonable to one party. Just like putting a hand on someone's inner thigh might be reasonable to one party at a certain point in a date. It may not be appreciated, signs might have been misread, but unless you want people to sign contracts before they go to bed with each other there's always the danger of there being misunderstandings. And in my view misunderstandings shouldn't be criminalised.

My girlfriend might not appreciate me sending her nudes. I hope we can agree that's different to flashing at random people on the street.

My point is there's nuance. This isn't a black and white issue, certainly in the context of a dating app.

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Post by LtWorf »

techdragon wrote: post #158
Freak_NL wrote: post #132

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Even the word fuck can be perfectly acceptable in plenty of contexts. Weird that someone went to the trouble of building in weird kill-switch exceptions in a spell checker. “This feature remains severely disliked by users, with feedback such as ‘Fuck this moronic new button!’ being an example of the milder responses.”

As an Australian, I’m fucking livid these fucks think they have the right to fuck around with my use of the word fuck. That is to say… as a native speaker of the lovely little English variant where the word fuck or words derived from it are valid in almost every single linguistic context the English language possesses… I take offence at this petty US cultural imperialism. Just looking at the sheer flexibility of the…

ah yes, basically the reason why i created by own code of conduct for github projects.

https://github.com/ltworf/international_code_of_conduct/blob...

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Post by Nimitz14 »

thrown_22 wrote: post #122
smt88 wrote: post #66

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Dating apps are tailored to people in the top X% of attractiveness. Don't take it personally. Most people aren't successful on them, even the ones who get a lot of matches.

>Dating apps are tailored to people in the top X% of attractiveness. They aren't. I'm in the top 1% for income and top 5% for looks. I used to get no matches on tinder. I asked a few female friends to come up with a profile they thought would be more attractive. After I saw what they came up with (I have a boat, I fly first class, I'm in a holiday in Europe) I deleted it and move them to acquaintances. The type of wo…

A close friend of mine kills it on tinder. He just has pics of himself looking good and smiling. He basically doesn't need to book a place to stay when going on holiday (lol). I would not put him in the top 5% (maybe top 10).

Your pics either sucked or you're not as attractive as you think you are. You don't need pics of yourself being rich. Or maybe you're older (he's 27).

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Post by ilikecakeandpie »

benj111 wrote: post #190
Kiro wrote: post #134

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Sending unsolicited nudes is a crime so no, it should not be allowed even if there are people who enjoy that stuff.

At what point does a nude become unsolicited though? I mean this is a dating site. If I put my arm around someone or lean in for a kiss that could be unsolicited but shouldn't be illegal in the context of a date. Similarly dirty talking in a date is different to doing it in the office. I suppose this could be dealt with through user preferences (don't show nudes/ doesn't appreciate nudes) but the line seems blurred i…

It is always unsolicited until it is reasonably, directly solicited

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Post by shadowgovt »

qubex wrote: post #183
sweetheart wrote: post #177

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I get why this would be incredibly annoying to a nudist, but I can’t really see a path forward that works for nudists and non nudists in this context.

Of corse I’m aware that I’m representing a minority concern and I’m well aware that as matters and principles currently stand we’re in a mutually irreconcilable situation. I’m not saying every effort should be abandoned. I’m just saying that it would be mightily nice if those in decision making positions with regard to these issues and initiatives took the existence of this small and derided demographic into account…

When the goal is to create a service with 100% uptake, one can't optimize for the minority position, especially if the majority finds it objectionable.

So what you're looking for if you want something like that is a developer that is not optimizing to get 100% uptake. That's tricky to find, because the people with money always want 100% uptake.

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Post by shadowgovt »

elevenoh wrote: post #199
qubex wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> rare as it might be, there are people of both genders who actually enjoy receiving unsolicited nudes I’m a nudist. I don’t enjoy receiving “unsolicited nudes” but a lot of acquaintances from that zone of my life do send photographs that sometimes depict them undressed in pursuit of whatever activity it is they’re depicting — usually the body in the picture is not the point of the exercise. This just impedes the day…

I'm amazed by silicon valley's general puritan/orthodox stance on nudity Nudism is great for the soul - to anyone reading, try it!

They cared a lot less before the lawsuits started hitting.

Their appreciation for nudity is offset by their aversion to standing around in courtrooms or paying money for an expensive representative to do it for them.

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