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Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

formerly_proven wrote: post #195
mschuster91 wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fully agree that the 184 series of StGB is not up to date (e.g. that 17 year olds routinely end up in trouble with the law for sending their partners consensual pictures) and the German youth protection law is ridiculous, but the idea that sending someone unsolicited pornography is bad is a good one IMHO.

Sure, nothing wrong per se with 184(1)6 criminalizing that. I'd argue though that this only comes about unintentionally because 184i (sexual harassment) only covers physical sexual harassment. Meanwhile non-physical sexual harassment is completely legal in Germany unless it is an insult in itself (185). IMHO the proper way is to mostly yeet 184 (because there is no particular reason for the state to morally regulate…

Honestly, I think the proper way with most laws would be to just yeet them entirely and go for a round of refactoring; but alas, politicians aren't programmers and neither do they have the same mindset of cleaning up after themselves or even after others, so we're stuck with sub-optimal legislation like this and that probably won't ever change.

Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Post by jasonlotito »

AlmostAnyone wrote: post #166
zimpenfish wrote: post #156

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Doesn't need to, does it? If it's solicited, you know to click on the blurred image. No harm done.

The person I replied to said sending nudes shouldn't be allowed at all

They did not say sending nudes shouldn't be allowed. They send sending unsolicited nudes should not be allowed at all, even if a few people enjoy it.

They aren't saying people can be naked in front of other people, but that flashing people shouldn't be allowed.

Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Post by nerdponx »

lucasfcosta wrote: post #116
runlevel1 wrote: post #64

Around 2007, there was an image board type of site that was struggling to build a system that could reliably detect these sort of images. Their solution ended up being to run it through face detection first -- which was pretty reliable even back then. It turns out, people who sent unsolicited lewd photos tended to do so without their face in frame. So if a face was detected, it was significantly less likely to be lew…

An excellent example of cutting the Gordian Knot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_Knot

Also a great example of effective feature engineering.

The success of gradient boosting and deep learning lies largely in the ability of those models to "learn" sophisticated high-order features from raw data. Their particular success in working with images, audio, and video lie in their ability to construct more (and more sophisticated) features, beyond what a team of smart humans with domain knowledge could have constructed by hand given huge resources. In a sense, the only difference between model architectures is the feature space that they embed the raw data into.

That said, sometimes you just need to give the model a good starting place, and sometimes you can obviate A sophisticated model largely or entirely, if you can come up with highly "explanatory" features on your own.

To this day, I think the ability to come up with high-impact features is one of the differentiating factors of really good industry data scientist.

Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Post by thrown_22 »

slingnow wrote: post #198
thrown_22 wrote: post #122

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>Dating apps are tailored to people in the top X% of attractiveness. They aren't. I'm in the top 1% for income and top 5% for looks. I used to get no matches on tinder. I asked a few female friends to come up with a profile they thought would be more attractive. After I saw what they came up with (I have a boat, I fly first class, I'm in a holiday in Europe) I deleted it and move them to acquaintances. The type of wo…

Top 5% of looks based on what exactly? Something about your story doesn't add up. I would certainly consider myself NOT in the top %5 of looks, and get plenty of matches. And I'm not looking for trashy women who are only into material things either.

> Top 5% of looks based on what exactly?

On looking at the average person I see on the street. Do you not have eyes?

>and get plenty of matches

Matches are the first step, then you have chatting, organizing a date and then a hookup/relationship. The attrition rate is abysmal at every level. It's just not time efficient to use online dating.

Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

benj111 wrote: post #190
Kiro wrote: post #134

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Sending unsolicited nudes is a crime so no, it should not be allowed even if there are people who enjoy that stuff.

At what point does a nude become unsolicited though? I mean this is a dating site. If I put my arm around someone or lean in for a kiss that could be unsolicited but shouldn't be illegal in the context of a date. Similarly dirty talking in a date is different to doing it in the office. I suppose this could be dealt with through user preferences (don't show nudes/ doesn't appreciate nudes) but the line seems blurred i…

It's honestly baffling that I have to explain this, but: Expressing interest in finding someone to date does not imply any form of consent to being sent nudes.

Some people might want that, and for them it would make sense if platforms added an opt-in feature to signal their interest in unsolicited nudes, or to opt-out of whatever form of filtering there might be.

But the default should be that you can open an app for meeting people without being forced to see someone's dick.

Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

panda-giddiness wrote: post #172
yosito wrote: post #164

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I'm suggesting that Bumble shouldn't be the judge of what messages are appropriate to send or not. But they absolutely should provide filtering tools and feedback to users to reduce low quality or obnoxious behavior. I don't disagree with you that a majority of women do not want unsolicited nudes. But there's not a consensus or black and white line between messages that are wanted or unwanted. Not all women are purit…

> I'm suggesting that Bumble shouldn't be the judge of what messages are appropriate to send or not. But they absolutely should provide filtering tools and feedback to users to reduce low quality or obnoxious behavior. That's an untenable position. Bumble should (and does) block pornographic, illegal, or harassing content. As already mentioned in the post, sending unsolicited nudes is illegal in at least one jurisdic…

If you let users add an "is okay with nudes" flag, to their profile, then those who want could just consent to receiving unsolicited nudes while anyone else can have a safe experience free of unexpected sausage.

I don't see how that is in any way less practical than outright blocking everything.

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Post by mschuster91 »

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #201
formerly_proven wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, nothing wrong per se with 184(1)6 criminalizing that. I'd argue though that this only comes about unintentionally because 184i (sexual harassment) only covers physical sexual harassment. Meanwhile non-physical sexual harassment is completely legal in Germany unless it is an insult in itself (185). IMHO the proper way is to mostly yeet 184 (because there is no particular reason for the state to morally regulate…

Honestly, I think the proper way with most laws would be to just yeet them entirely and go for a round of refactoring; but alas, politicians aren't programmers and neither do they have the same mindset of cleaning up after themselves or even after others, so we're stuck with sub-optimal legislation like this and that probably won't ever change.

It has happened a couple of times in the past (e.g. with the law on transgender people or homosexual marriage) that the courts stepped in and demanded improvement or yeeted laws outright as they became untenable.

It's not unthinkable, particularly as the generation "18th birthday gift? Onlyfans account" enters political life, that the same will happen again. Additionally, the youth protection commission NRW is on a holy crusade against Pornhub and other sites - should they eventually be successful, younger people who don't care about the news and only react when they see their favourite porn site going dark in Germany may rise up and demand reforms as well.

And on top of that, boomers are thankfully slowly dying out and retiring, so the gerontocrats in parliament will go away as well.

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Post by evolvingstuff »

sweetheart wrote: post #177
qubex wrote: post #165

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> rare as it might be, there are people of both genders who actually enjoy receiving unsolicited nudes I’m a nudist. I don’t enjoy receiving “unsolicited nudes” but a lot of acquaintances from that zone of my life do send photographs that sometimes depict them undressed in pursuit of whatever activity it is they’re depicting — usually the body in the picture is not the point of the exercise. This just impedes the day…

I get why this would be incredibly annoying to a nudist, but I can’t really see a path forward that works for nudists and non nudists in this context.

Easy. Have a setting where someone can consent to (or not) receiving images that may potentially have nudity in them.

Re: Bumble releases open-source A.I. feature to help combat unsolicited nudes

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Post by deltasevennine »

monkpit wrote: post #194

The term “Cyberflashing” is ridiculous. It makes it sound innocent and cutesy. We already have a term for this, it’s sexual harassment.

sexual harassment is too extreme. 20 years of prison in some places.

Cyber flashing is indeed the more appropriate term.

I will be absolutely unequivocally clear about my opinion on this: Cyber flashing does not deserve jail time. It deserves being banned from bumble. Anyone who is so low and so cruel to jail someone for cyber flashing... that person is the one who deserves jail time.

Also logistically you'd be jailing millions of people if it was sexual harassment.

In short, dick pics are a problem with people being stupid. Not a problem with people being criminals. Let's keep the wording appropriate to the severity of the infraction. It's cyberflashing... NOT sexual harassment.

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