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WhatsApp goes down for users globally

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Re: WhatsApp goes down for users globally

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Post by rakoo »

jraph wrote: post #98
zaik wrote: post #95

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Why not the IETF standard XMPP?

Which XEPs are you talking about? No, this is not a question, this is an answer. At this point, XMPP is not a solution, but a basis for an actual coherent solution to be built on, but it does not exist yet (or anymore). Matrix is also only a partial answer, because in practice you will direct users to matrix.org, and that makes matrix.org not a single point of failure, but still a huge point of failure and matrix wil…

Core XMPP is decentralized today. Room chats standardization in XMPP started 20 years ago. Any server existing today has solved the issue whatsapp is facing right now.

Re: WhatsApp goes down for users globally

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Post by rakoo »

bombolo wrote: post #87
londons_explore wrote: post #82

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I don't agree with that claim. While there is no e2e encryption, the number of people that can see the chats between me and my mother has just gone from two (me and her) to 500 (all the engineers on the telegram team). Also, being based in the UAE doesn't inspire confidence on the privacy and security front... Nor the fact they promised to release yearly transparency reports and then never did so... Or the fact Der S…

You can enable e2e chats. But you lose cloud sync. > Also, being based in the UAE doesn't inspire confidence on the privacy and security front... Well the 5 eyes do not inspire confidence either, and that's where whatsapp is based. And Apple has plans to automatically inform law enforcement from device scans. At least telegram client is open source so that is unlikely to happen on the client side directly.

> You can enable e2e chats. But you lose cloud sync.

You also lose talking to more than 1 person at the same time.

Re: WhatsApp goes down for users globally

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Post by smallerfish »

rglullis wrote: post #94
nikitaga wrote: post #90

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Well if you can, then why aren't they as good as Telegram, and why should I be holding my breath for their UI / UX to suddenly improve? Matrix has been around for almost as long as Telegram. I don't use either so I don't really care. I just don't expect a consumer service with subpar UI to win market share solely on technical merits.

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Not OP, but that's not a fair statement.

Checking the box of ideals doesn't mean that open source software is off the hook in having to compete on features. Regular users do not give a rat's ass about source code being open; it's an extremely abstract concept if you're not in the field. All they care about is free as in beer. Matrix can either target the niche demographic of the highly technical, or it needs to level up on usability to reach a wide audience.

The number of people who have tried LibreOffice, Gimp, etc is probably orders of magnitude higher than the number of actual daily users. If these software applications were businesses, their exec teams would have been fired many times over for the atrocious churn. Free as in beer is an excellent foot in the door, but it's wasted time and again by huffy developers who don't know how to create good UX and who won't open the door to good product people who want to help out.

Re: WhatsApp goes down for users globally

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Post by jve »

irjustin wrote: post #109
jve wrote: post #108

Wife just received account registration sms that new device has been registered. Anyone else experiencing that? Error? Worse?

i haven't seen this yet but will definitely be keeping an eye out.

I sent a support question. Anyway, Google doesn't return any concerning info. It could be just kids... but I asked and with 90% probability, those ain't kids :)

EDIT: Support answered with generic mail on what to do if problems registering device... eh, whatever.

Re: WhatsApp goes down for users globally

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Post by DocTomoe »

spockz wrote: post #55
rglullis wrote: post #51

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I'm always befuddled by how some people really take things so literally...

Indeed. That is why I started using “one could” instead of “you can”. This prevented a lot of misunderstanding.

I have been discouraged to use that form because native English speakers have corrected me that unless I am a British monarch, it would be incorrect language use.

Re: WhatsApp goes down for users globally

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Post by DocTomoe »

lima wrote: post #100
d0mine wrote: post #72

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"Telegram is more secure than mass market messengers like WhatsApp and Line." https://telegram.org/faq#q-how-secure-is-telegram

The opposite is true - of all the major messengers, Telegram is the least secure. It uses a homebrew encryption scheme and does not have E2E encryption (yes, you can enable E2E for individual chats, but nobody uses it because it breaks most features). Not to mention the weird corporate structure, lack of transparency, failed crypto token launch, dishonest marketing...

A non-standardized, homebrew encryption scheme does not necessarily have to be worse than a standardized algorithm - even though it often is. But if implemented correctly and by someone who knows what they are doing, I'd trust a homebrew algo more than one which has been approved by the west's codebreakers for general use.

Re: WhatsApp goes down for users globally

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Post by capableweb »

light_hearted wrote: post #117

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That sounds like a really sketchy version of whatsapp that I wouldn't use if I were you.

> Most of the time while using the official WhatsApp app, you can get banned maybe because of some issues going on with your mobile number. With the use of GB WhatsApp, such a ban isn’t available. You will absolutely be off the banning problems while using Gb WhatsApp Download the 2023 New Version

So, basically Whatsapp can ban you but you can still use Whatsapp? Hard doubt. Sounds like it's not actually Whatsapp at all and they are sitting in the middle.

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