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WhatsApp goes down for users globally

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Re: WhatsApp goes down for users globally

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I'm always befuddled by how some people really take things so literally...

It must be exhausting never to take a break from befuddlement, you really ought to consider only feeling this way some of the time, or at least spend some time befuddled by other things.

If this were reddit, I'd upvote you. ;)

Re: WhatsApp goes down for users globally

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Centralized management does not mean centralized infrastructure. Any of these systems could distribute the APIs and message delivery infra across multiple independent jurisdictions, regions, and providers, and do clientside load balancing. The fact that these systems are centralized in management does not mean that they need to have any SPOFs. Also, the Apple App Store and iOS activation servers are the biggest SPOFs…

> Centralized management does not mean centralized infrastructure. Any of these systems could distribute the APIs and message delivery infra across multiple independent jurisdictions, regions, and providers, and do clientside load balancing. While true, Signal hasn't done this as far as I know. Until they do, their infrastructure is just as centralized as WhatsApps.

WhatsApp's infrastructure is not centralized; I would bet that this outage was caused by an engineering mistake, not by the failure of some datacenter or cable.

They are owned/managed by the company that popularized "move fast and break things" (though to be clear I do not think that they intentionally take this approach with WA or IG or the FB advertising infrastructure).

Re: WhatsApp goes down for users globally

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You can improve the UX of Matrix clients. You can not make Telegram decentralized or take it out of control of one single entity.

Well if you can, then why aren't they as good as Telegram, and why should I be holding my breath for their UI / UX to suddenly improve? Matrix has been around for almost as long as Telegram. I don't use either so I don't really care. I just don't expect a consumer service with subpar UI to win market share solely on technical merits.

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Re: WhatsApp goes down for users globally

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Seems like a good time to plug Session: https://getsession.org/ Open source, doesn't require a phone number, and a big strength is that it's decentralized, which makes it much less vulnerable to outages like this. "Session utilises the decentralised Oxen Service Node Network to store and route messages. This means that unlike P2P messaging applications you can message Session users when they are offline. This network…

Sounded really interesting until I found that it is just another zero-sum exploitation scheme...

> Oxen blockchain and the $OXEN privacy token

Re: WhatsApp goes down for users globally

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post #92

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> Centralized management does not mean centralized infrastructure. Any of these systems could distribute the APIs and message delivery infra across multiple independent jurisdictions, regions, and providers, and do clientside load balancing. While true, Signal hasn't done this as far as I know. Until they do, their infrastructure is just as centralized as WhatsApps.

WhatsApp's infrastructure is not centralized; I would bet that this outage was caused by an engineering mistake, not by the failure of some datacenter or cable. They are owned/managed by the company that popularized "move fast and break things" (though to be clear I do not think that they intentionally take this approach with WA or IG or the FB advertising infrastructure).

> WhatsApp's infrastructure is not centralized; I would bet that this outage was caused by an engineering mistake, not by the failure of some datacenter or cable.

If one engineering mistake can take it down, it's not decentralized. Or an action, not necessarily a mistake. It's at least somewhat centralized. An individual can be asked to take it down. In a correctly decentralized service, that can't happen.

Re: WhatsApp goes down for users globally

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Time to talk about matrix.org and Element not Signal and definitely not Telegram...

Why not the IETF standard XMPP?

Which XEPs are you talking about?

No, this is not a question, this is an answer. At this point, XMPP is not a solution, but a basis for an actual coherent solution to be built on, but it does not exist yet (or anymore).

Matrix is also only a partial answer, because in practice you will direct users to matrix.org, and that makes matrix.org not a single point of failure, but still a huge point of failure and matrix will be down for most people if matrix.org goes down.

Re: WhatsApp goes down for users globally

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post #72

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Telegram (per default) does not have end-to-end encryption.

"Telegram is more secure than mass market messengers like WhatsApp and Line." https://telegram.org/faq#q-how-secure-is-telegram

The opposite is true - of all the major messengers, Telegram is the least secure.

It uses a homebrew encryption scheme and does not have E2E encryption (yes, you can enable E2E for individual chats, but nobody uses it because it breaks most features).

Not to mention the weird corporate structure, lack of transparency, failed crypto token launch, dishonest marketing...

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