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Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Major vendors have realized this as well, and are putting less information in their emails as a result.

If you’re my customer and a Gmail user and I send you order details, financial/credit info, any number of things I might know about you that Google might not know already, Google learns that about you from me.

Instead, I’m going to send you an email that prompts you to come back to my site or app to get your tracking number or flight info or whatever.

It might not be some other communication service that kills email, but rather apps and push notifications trying to outmaneuver Google.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by rglullis »

cma wrote: post #286
rglullis wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. You are talking about three different groups and you calling both by the same "they": - One "they" is the Ethereum developers making new developments and proposing changes to the "main" blockchain. - The other "they" is the thousands of people who are developing and using applications that can be used by the most people, and care (mostly) about having one blockchain where they can reach the most people. - The thi…

> Ethereum Executes Blockchain Hard Fork to Return DAO Funds > https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2016/07/20/ethereum-executes-b...

I keep forgetting that people don't really read the whole thread before jumping into the comment box.

Please, read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33306409, then come back with some better argument.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by Huh1337 »

simias wrote: post #199
rglullis wrote: post #130

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Now you know why there are still some people that still take "web3" seriously. It's the only system where you are not at the mercy of some external entity to be always benevolent. Seriously, ENS and Handshake alone should be enough of a reason to silence all of those who keep repeating "but blockchain has no real world applications".

And that's why web3 frustrates me to no end. Decentralized services were common in the "old" internet, web3 just takes than and adds a layer of ponzi and speculation on top of them. If bittorent was invented today you'd have to buy into some pyramid scheme to use it. Beyond that having a trusted third party does suck for some things, but at least it means that I have a recourse if something goes wrong. With cryptocra…

Domains weren't decentralized at any point in history. IP address allocation is also managed centrally.

> but at least it means that I have a recourse if something goes wrong

Have you actually tried it out? I lost several domains through no fault of mine (2 times fault of registrar, 1 time fault of national TLD manager) and absolutely nobody helped me. Even tried suing - in 2 cases (the registrar fault) I got small monetary compensation for lost profit (so good luck with personal domains) but the domain was always lost forever. And when it was the TLD's fault I got nothing whatsoever.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by recursv_thnkng »

pronik wrote: post #262

The same goes for contacts by the way: you can be as careful as you wish keeping your phone number and address and e-mail address private, as long as you are friends with me and I keep my Google Contacts up to date, Google has that data. And I don't think this is avoidable, unless you consider complete isolation from human contact desireable.

I noticed this with Tiktok. I put in my number into my profile and got friend suggestions for nearly my entire contact list despite not giving access to it.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by pixl97 »

sumedh wrote: post #251
jerieljan wrote: post #229

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One good case I can think of is Crinacle. Very popular for his audio measurements site and does YouTube. His Google account got flagged for something suspicious, Google had it shut down and without good explanations. He can't even get help through YouTube support and while the old channel remains, the Google account behind it appears disabled today. The only choice he had was to file a request that lead to nowhere an…

> His Google account got flagged for something suspicious, Was that because of his gmail or Youtube?

Does it matter?

Get banned from one google service for whatever reason (and you may never know why), banned from them all.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by [deleted] »

jmbwell wrote: post #311

Major vendors have realized this as well, and are putting less information in their emails as a result. If you’re my customer and a Gmail user and I send you order details, financial/credit info, any number of things I might know about you that Google might not know already, Google learns that about you from me. Instead, I’m going to send you an email that prompts you to come back to my site or app to get your tracki…

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Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by b3morales »

YeBanKo wrote: post #46
cglan wrote: post #26

Having your own email/domain isn’t about privacy. Email has become essentially the key to almost everything in modern life. If I lose access to my email I lose access to basically everything I own and it would be a massive hassle to switch emails. Banks, schools, apps, etc. Often times these services won’t even let you change to a new email if you don’t have access to an existing one. Some use email as 2factor. It’s…

What email do you use with domain registrar? I ended up switching most if mine domains to google domains simply because i find its ui more convenient for me, all eggs in one basket i guess. But how do you ensure that you aren’t gonna loose access to your domain account?

> What email do you use with domain registrar?

Using a paid email account that is only for admin purposes is the suggestion I have followed, based on https://sneak.berlin/20201029/stop-emailing-like-a-rube/

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by YeBanKo »

denton-scratch wrote: post #249
YeBanKo wrote: post #135

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At this point some government entity should provide a way to have an inalienable electronic address. There are strong protections for regular mail, that ensure that mail gets delivered. Cell carriers are required to port numbers. Since email addresses are tied to domain, there should be some usps-like service that allows to have an address, that can be related to a provider of your choosing. And this address is tied…

> ensure that mail gets delivered Email is intrinsically an unreliable service, and always has been. It's a "best-effort" service. But at least email is honest about it up-front, and tries to address reliability in the RFCs. Not that Google cares much about RFCs.

That was in reference to regular mail. USPS was one of the first fed agencies and mail was one of the few original functionals of the central government. On top of USPS being one of the largest agencies, there is also legal protection against tempering with mail and usps has its own enforcement branch.

In case of email, it probably should simpler. Gov only serves as an address book, essentially. But does minimum of tech implementing it. Given how domain MX records work, does not seem possible. So i think email relay is the closest thing.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by YeBanKo »

cube00 wrote: post #75
YeBanKo wrote: post #46

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What email do you use with domain registrar? I ended up switching most if mine domains to google domains simply because i find its ui more convenient for me, all eggs in one basket i guess. But how do you ensure that you aren’t gonna loose access to your domain account?

Given the way Google locks out accounts with no support or appeal I can't think of a worse registrar to use. I use my ISP's email address with my registrar, if they want to keep getting paid each month its in their interests to keep that email address working.

What registrar do you use?

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by YeBanKo »

b3morales wrote: post #317
YeBanKo wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What email do you use with domain registrar? I ended up switching most if mine domains to google domains simply because i find its ui more convenient for me, all eggs in one basket i guess. But how do you ensure that you aren’t gonna loose access to your domain account?

> What email do you use with domain registrar? Using a paid email account that is only for admin purposes is the suggestion I have followed, based on https://sneak.berlin/20201029/stop-emailing-like-a-rube/

What registrar do you use?

> Using a paid email account that is only for admin purposes is the suggestion I have followed

Good advice, btw. But unattainable for large part of the population.

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