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Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by juunpp »

jjulius wrote: post #6
javajosh wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>police warrant-less access to Ring cameras... and then stream their online gatherings live on Twitch Streaming a public event on twitch vs on-demand warrentless police access to on-prem cameras? Am I missing something or are these two things not just not in the neighborhood, they are on different planets.

>Am I missing something or are these two things not just not in the neighborhood, they are on different planets. Amazon owns Twitch. I think OP is highlighting that the EFF speaks out against Amazon's privacy practices while simultaneously supporting Amazon financially. Edit: "I think..."

jjulius, I did not state that they were helping them financially, though I also had not thought of that. I think Twitch does not display ads on non-profits streams (is this right?), but it's also extra visitors at the end of the day.

My comment was more along the general line of criticizing something verbally, but then taking actions that, in my view, undermine that same message. Contrast this with the FSF, for example, which is feverishly uncompromising about its values.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by quickthrower2 »

Samon wrote: post #9

For me, owning my own email domain is far more about control than privacy. I currently use some MX and SMTP trickery to forward all of my email to Gmail, effectively using Gmail as my 'email client' - but because the domain is mine, I can change that without too much headache, unlike if I were just using an @gmail.com address.

Also about cost? You could use proton, but gmail is free I guess.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by juunpp »

bombcar wrote: post #20
Tagbert wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s pretty hard to distinguish spam accounts by domain. They skip domains regularly. Much more often than actual humans. If your spam filters are only able to filter by domain you might want to find some more sophisticated filters.

He's saying the @gmail.com domain is useless to him, because it he gets so much spam from it. I could certainly see that being the case, and if you can block the whole domain and whitelist the few contacts you actually have, it probably could work decently well.

Yep, exactly.

I was also wondering if I am the only one seeing this. Very large uptick of @gmail.com spam in my inbox.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by CamperBob2 »

juunpp wrote: post #2

I have actually been receiving much spam from gmail addresses lately and have considered banning the domain altogether. > I was surprised to find out that my friend Peter Eckersley — a very privacy conscious person who is Technology Projects Director at the EFF — used Gmail I find that the EFF does this more often than not, like how they also criticize Amazon for giving police warrant-less access to Ring cameras... a…

I find their messaging sometimes does not tie well with their actions.

Not everybody can be RMS. As an EFF supporter, I don't want them to waste my donations by withdrawing from the world and handicapping themselves unnecessarily.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by cglan »

Having your own email/domain isn’t about privacy. Email has become essentially the key to almost everything in modern life. If I lose access to my email I lose access to basically everything I own and it would be a massive hassle to switch emails. Banks, schools, apps, etc. Often times these services won’t even let you change to a new email if you don’t have access to an existing one. Some use email as 2factor. It’s a nightmare. Owning your own domain separately is crucial. Who hosts your email matters less.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by quickthrower2 »

bagels wrote: post #22

Let's say theoretically I did a gdpr request to Google to delete my emails, do they have to delete the counterparty copy?

I doubt it. It is not reasonably “your data”. If I copy the email you sent me to dropbox would be the same sort of thing.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by bombcar »

juunpp wrote: post #24
bombcar wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's saying the @gmail.com domain is useless to him, because it he gets so much spam from it. I could certainly see that being the case, and if you can block the whole domain and whitelist the few contacts you actually have, it probably could work decently well.

Yep, exactly. I was also wondering if I am the only one seeing this. Very large uptick of @gmail.com spam in my inbox.

My filters apparently are catching it pretty well, but 32/203 on my work email are gmail spams.

I think they're focusing on it because so many systems have hard-coded rules to let gmail through because "it is email".

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by Barrin92 »

">I have run my own email server which I use for all of my non-work correspondence. I do so to keep autonomy, control, and privacy over my email"

if you want to retain control or privacy over correspondence, email is a horrible medium because by design anything can be forwarded, shared and copy&pasted trivially and this is done all the time. One guy is enough to leak an entire email chain. Good rule for email is, treat writing email as if you're speaking publicly.

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