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Re: Living descendants of Mark Antony

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It's "Mark Antony". Spell check!

Isn't the actual name Marcus Antonius? I wonder why we use the anglicised version for him, but the latin names for most other Romans

> I wonder why we use the anglicised version for him, but the latin names for most other Romans

We also use classical Latin names for pre-classical Romans who would have written their own names rather differently.

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I still want someone to explain how Firenze got rendered as Florence.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/Florence > The city name is from Roman Colonia Florentia, "flowering colony," either literal or figurative, and became Old Italian Fiorenze, modern Italian Firenze. https://italyinview.com/italian-places/italian-cities/floren... elaborates: > The Romans were the founders of Florence. Realizing the importance of a thoroughfare towards the Po plain, Ceasar in 59 B.C. ordered the establis…

Ceasar also founded Florence?? This guy... :)

Re: Living descendants of Mark Antony

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Such paper lineages assume that none of the fathers were cuckolded. DNA is the only way to be sure.

« Non-paternity events » occur at a rate of a few percents a given generation at best, but it's enough that at this scale even a rock-solid documents trail isn't proof of descent.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the actual name Marcus Antonius? I wonder why we use the anglicised version for him, but the latin names for most other Romans

Maybe for the same reason the names of famous cities (especially if already famous in the past) are translated into foreign languages. Examples. Roma is Rome in English and Milano is Milan. London is Londra in Italian but Manchester is Manchester and Liverpool is Liverpool. Livorno (a small Italian town where English poets liked to spend their time) is Leghorn. Aachen (a German city that used to be the residence of C…

How about the German city of Stuttgart rendered as Stoccarda(FR) or Estugarda(PT) but not in other languages... no idea why.

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> An unbroken lineage to people of ancient times, known as a descent from antiquity, still remains to be historically proven.

Such records exist in Chinese culture, in particular in Taiwan and the diaspora, as they have not been interrupted before the Cultural Revolution.

Re: Living descendants of Mark Antony

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Unrelated to the genealogy; but at what point does it become ridiculous to claim yourself a prince? With over a century of no power for the family and no obvious way back to it as the kingdom is well dissolved, it feels like dress-up to style yourself a prince.

Re: Living descendants of Mark Antony

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the actual name Marcus Antonius? I wonder why we use the anglicised version for him, but the latin names for most other Romans

Maybe for the same reason the names of famous cities (especially if already famous in the past) are translated into foreign languages. Examples. Roma is Rome in English and Milano is Milan. London is Londra in Italian but Manchester is Manchester and Liverpool is Liverpool. Livorno (a small Italian town where English poets liked to spend their time) is Leghorn. Aachen (a German city that used to be the residence of C…

> Maybe for the same reason the names of famous cities (especially if already famous in the past) are translated into foreign languages.

They're not translated as much as they are derived from the same etymons used by the languages spoken there. Italian Acquisgrana or French Aix-la-Chapelle derive from Latin Aquis {capella, grana, villa}. The only properly official name most cities had throughout Europe was in Latin rather than any vernacular, including in areas where non-Romance languages were spoken such as German, English, Polish and so on.

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I still want someone to explain how Firenze got rendered as Florence.

Well or Londra? The Romans called it Londinium, so you might expect the modern Italian to be ..(I'm no expert on how Italian has modified endings).. 'Londinia' or 'Londino' or something. It's Londres in French which seems related, I wonder where they came from though.

Londres is a special case. The /r/ was added in French (and I assume Italian) because London was otherwise clumsy to pronounce.
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