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Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by pacifika »

chrisandchris wrote: post #381
SebastianKra wrote: post #232

> - Rounding of corners. Religion at this point > - Homogenization. JetBrains wants to be like VSCode > - Animations. Haven't seen them but it will be filled Seriously, HN? This is the quality that you reward with hundreds of points? Unlike the author, I happen to have used this UI for the past five months and it solves many of my longstanding gripes with IntelliJ: - Gutters are now much better at highlighting local…

[...] - "The toolbar has less icons now" - It's customisable, you can put whatever you want in there. Yes, with colourful icons. [...] As someone who uses Rider, RubyMine, WebStorm (and sometimes PHPStorm) on a daily basis am worried that I now need to customize 4 IDEs (will they sync this config?). So until now I never wanted (or needed) to do that, now I have half a day work to get something I already have. I don't…

With The settings repository you can share 90% of settings, as long as they are on the same platform.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by smsm42 »

mcluck wrote: post #274
matsemann wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I'm not "rewarding the post with hundred of points", but I've upvoted because I share the sentiment and want JetBrains to really consider each change they make: Is it for change's sake, or because it's actually better ?

What makes you think that they haven't already considered it? It's rather offensive to assume that a group of UX professionals decided to take on a massive overhaul just for fun. Given UX has never been a major priority at JetBrains, it implies that they decided it was valuable enough to spend the time and money on this. I just can't imagine this was done on a whim

Because many of UI redesigns I have witnessed with tools and sites I spend a lot of time on were for the worse. Somehow it being done by UX professionals is not a guarantee that I, as a user, would benefit from it. I can't begin to guess what the motivations were, I just know the results.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by TheCapeGreek »

adl wrote: post #407
TheCapeGreek wrote: post #322

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You've not optimised your workflow for your environment, but instead it's the fault of the tools given to you for being too primitive? Come on.

Virtual Desktops are not a substitute to multiple monitors. With multiple monitors you can have several full screen windows open at the same time. Like coding in your main screen and seeing documentation/web browser in the other.

Contrary to popular belief, you cannot physically look at two screens at the same time.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by michaelcampbell »

mcluck wrote: post #274
matsemann wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I'm not "rewarding the post with hundred of points", but I've upvoted because I share the sentiment and want JetBrains to really consider each change they make: Is it for change's sake, or because it's actually better ?

What makes you think that they haven't already considered it? It's rather offensive to assume that a group of UX professionals decided to take on a massive overhaul just for fun. Given UX has never been a major priority at JetBrains, it implies that they decided it was valuable enough to spend the time and money on this. I just can't imagine this was done on a whim

> It's rather offensive to assume that a group of UX professionals decided to take on a massive overhaul just for fun.

And it's experience that says that they do. Maybe not for fun, but for another 3, 6, 9 mos of pay.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by michaelcampbell »

emeril wrote: post #399
MockObject wrote: post #392

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> It's rather offensive to assume that a group of UX professionals decided to take on a massive overhaul just for fun. Not fun, but giving themselves work. Unfortunately, no UI team ever got rewarded for leaving a good product alone. They're hired to work, so they work. Anyone old enough has seen the quality of certain products peak and then decline, after the company just couldn't leave well enough alone, and ruined…

I used Office 2003 until I was forced to use Windows 10 for work at which point, despite my best efforts, was sufficiently incompatible, that I "upgraded" to Office 2010 which seems, I suppose, the least bad "modern" office version... I still miss Office 2003, it was so much better than new versions

LibreOffice has the "old" UI which I find way easier to navigate. I'll use that until I can't on any given document. Has saved me lots of time.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by michaelcampbell »

albertopv wrote: post #284
SebastianKra wrote: post #232

> - Rounding of corners. Religion at this point > - Homogenization. JetBrains wants to be like VSCode > - Animations. Haven't seen them but it will be filled Seriously, HN? This is the quality that you reward with hundreds of points? Unlike the author, I happen to have used this UI for the past five months and it solves many of my longstanding gripes with IntelliJ: - Gutters are now much better at highlighting local…

IS this new UI going to solve slow indexing problem? I mean, real problems, the ones that really block our work?

That's what a maybe once per day coffee break is for. Once indexed on the rare occasion I have to actually reboot or restart JetBrains products, I don't think I can recall ever having noticed indexing after that.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by wasyl »

happymellon wrote: post #374
wasyl wrote: post #358

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Curious why is that, what are the pain points specifically? I use it often when presenting and the only downside is that presentation mode forces full screen (on mac)

I lose my terminal, file tabs, project navigation. For presenting, it is very specific on how it is meant to be used, which is not how I would present during a screen sharing exercise.

That's not entirely true, you can bring up all of those (maybe except tabs, I don't use them) while in presentation mode, you can do that with all windows. They even have bigger fonts so they're also readable

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by oblio »

Spivak wrote: post #397
oblio wrote: post #289

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Software developers as developers: "Why does that random guy still pay for v1??? It's 20 years old, using Java 5 and old crap, let's force them to upgrade!!!!" Software developers as users: "Don't force me to upgrade" The hypocrisy is tangible and close to mind boggling.

As Devs: “I don’t want to maintain the old version. Don’t force work on me.” As Users: “I don’t want to upgrade to the new version. Don’t force work on me.” It’s not hypocritical to want your cake and eat it too. It’s only hypocritical if you think it’s wrong for companies to force people to upgrade and then doing that. Not liking when your parents forced you to eat vegetables and making your kids eat vegetables isn’…

I don't have an accurate name for that, but it's not right, either.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by grolimpio »

SebastianKra wrote: post #232

> - Rounding of corners. Religion at this point > - Homogenization. JetBrains wants to be like VSCode > - Animations. Haven't seen them but it will be filled Seriously, HN? This is the quality that you reward with hundreds of points? Unlike the author, I happen to have used this UI for the past five months and it solves many of my longstanding gripes with IntelliJ: - Gutters are now much better at highlighting local…

I have also been using it for about 5 months and won't go back to the old one. It's hard to design a new UI that will please everyone, but if Jetbrains only think about "old" developers (myself included), I believe their product won't be too attractive to the new generation.

I enjoy the new monochromatic icons, I don't mind the extra gap, but I usually hide the panels and use shortcuts to access the panels.

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