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75% of the time we spend with our kids in our lifetime will be spent by age 12

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Re: 75% of the time we spend with our kids in our lifetime will be spent by age 12

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I don't think I'm necessarily having the same experience as you.... my advice to people who aren't sure if they want kids, is DON'T. It's bloody hard, you sacrifice A LOT. Don't have kids unless you're very sure it's what you want. I have 2 kids under 6 and I feel like I just don't have any time for any of my hobbies any more. I leave for work first thing, come home in the afternoon, and haven't had any time for myse…

If it makes you feel any better I delayed having kids and spent my 30s dating and hanging out and going to bars -- and it was terrible. I was never more depressed. I got tired of dating. I got tired of bars. I was lonely. My life had no meaning or direction. I had a nice career and could go anywhere and do anything I wanted, but it turns out none of that made me even a little bit happy. I remember one summer making p…

I don't really believe happiness exists without kids. Happiness can exist when you are a kid and it can exist when you have kids. It cannot exist otherwise. You can be satisfied at any point of your life, with or without kids, but you can never be happy.

I remember being happy --- I was a kid. I remember when it stopped --- gradually when I became a teenager and completely when I became an adult. I had a career, I had money, more than I could spend. I had a loving wife, better wife than I ever expected to have. I lived in a free country. I was passionately interested in a myriad of subjects: Films, books, sports, programming, science, I had a lot of hobbies, never stopped being busy. All those hobbies I had since I was a kid. But I realized that I don't see them the same way I saw them when I was a kid.

Sports, I hated long-distance running as a kid, found it tedious and grueling. As an adult, I would run and run and run, run through pain, through exhaustion, became sick with over-training, developed anemia, had multiple injuries, had pain almost every day, ran through injuries because I didn't want to lose fitness, reached almost 20 BMI, was frail and weak. What for? Nobody cared, not even me. It was just an obsession, looking for something that wasn't there.

Science, it was no longer the wonderful curiosity-satisfying endeavor that it was when I was a kid. It had become stressful research, anxiety to learn as much as possible, guilt and feeling of worthlessness when I couldn't really understand something after studying it for a period of time.

Films, I would watch 100-150 per year. Had a film-club subscription and watched pretty much everything they put on. Went to film festivals and watched 30+ films in a week. Watched something at home regularly. When you watch so many films they become tedious and you hate 90% of what you watch but I had to keep doing it because, what else would I do with all the free time I had?

I realized that there's nothing wrong with all those activities, what's wrong is what I expected from them. I wanted too much from them. I wanted them to give meaning to my life which was at a point when no meaning could be extracted by such activities.

And then I had kids. It was stressful, yes, it was tiring, yes, but oh boy --- no doubt about it, I was happy. I wanted to run out on the streets screaming from my happiness. I could not get angry any more. Everything that happened to me I just smiled and went on. And 6 years later I miss every time I awoke at night, every time I held them screaming. I am absolutely and positively sure that there can be no greater happiness in this world than the one I felt back then. I realize that I can have another kid now but it won't be the same.

And it all feels like it was one second ago. It all passed me by in an instant. Now my kids are old enough to do almost everything by themselves. Soon they will know how to read. I now do all the activities I mentioned above. But no obsession. I run enough to stay fit. I started weight-training which made me feel and look better than ever. I study science with a smile and with an understanding that I will never understand everything.

Everything has meaning now.

Re: 75% of the time we spend with our kids in our lifetime will be spent by age 12

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This is exactly my experience, probably from age 28 until I met my wife at ~34. My friends and I would go to all these bars, clubs, rock climbing trips. While I loved my friends and generally enjoyed doing those things, I felt this long-term malaise of meaningless. The loss of freedom getting married and then greater loss when having kids was unexpected and a jarring change. But it has made me such a better person. A…

In my opinion plenty of people just use kids as a scapegoat for meaning of life. My question would be why you value your kids time more than bouldern? Because you made them? Because they consume so much time with them? Or because you are just better in being a parent and biological getting satisfaction out of it? Unfortunately for me I'm not sure if I would end like you or the other poster who regrets it sometimes. A…

If you can edit this. Edit out the “you” to “people”. It doesn’t look like an attack then. I see your comment is greying out so it’s getting downvotes.

Having diff perspectives is cool so it would be unfortunate for yours to get flagged because it seems too aggressive.

Re: 75% of the time we spend with our kids in our lifetime will be spent by age 12

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Is there a way to share housing with them? In some cultures it's normal for second generation to live with first generation even after marriage (although nowadays they tend to separate but live close by). I wonder if NA culture would gradually allow that. I have a two year old and thinking about purchasing a nearby condo and give it (at least the part already repaid) as gift to him when he starts looking for jobs.

They will still be living their own lives most of the time, even more so during that time than they were teenagers.

Yeah I agree. Maybe more intersections when grandchildren are born. I read some stories that grandchildren having great relationships with grandparents.

Re: 75% of the time we spend with our kids in our lifetime will be spent by age 12

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> realizing at the end of it that all three weekends were exactly the same. Nothing new happens. You're not missing anything if you just stay home. To be honest, I felt exactly like that when kids were small, especially when being at home with them. Every day same as one before, with only minor variation. Going for vacations meant doing exactly same things as at home, except in harder setup. Nothing ever ever happens…

IMO that adult isolation is a bit of a choice. What I've seen happen is other parents socialize with other parents with kids of a similar age. Two moms who both have babies visit each other and hang out, etc.

My parents tried that and were fairly lonely during the early childhood years. They hated trading inane poop stories with other parents and longed to return to real adult conversations. If they wanted to discuss the specifics of child-rearing, they’d talk to each other or ask their own parents for advice.

Re: 75% of the time we spend with our kids in our lifetime will be spent by age 12

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If it makes you feel any better I delayed having kids and spent my 30s dating and hanging out and going to bars -- and it was terrible. I was never more depressed. I got tired of dating. I got tired of bars. I was lonely. My life had no meaning or direction. I had a nice career and could go anywhere and do anything I wanted, but it turns out none of that made me even a little bit happy. I remember one summer making p…

This is exactly my experience, probably from age 28 until I met my wife at ~34. My friends and I would go to all these bars, clubs, rock climbing trips. While I loved my friends and generally enjoyed doing those things, I felt this long-term malaise of meaningless. The loss of freedom getting married and then greater loss when having kids was unexpected and a jarring change. But it has made me such a better person. A…

Well, I was into that rock climbing, and, alpinism, ski touring, diving, paragliding, various expeditions and god knows what else.

It can fill up your life, and if you have good close friends it may be enough to feel long term OK and have amazing moments, which I kinda was. In fact, I've spent all my 30s like that, and backpacking around the world. I needed that, I felt I needed that back then, and when looking in retrospect it was right emotion, it made me a more complete human being (and later better parent too). Some can get there without, I couldn't, didn't have the right environment for it when growing up. This worked very well even when married, my wife complements me well in this (we met on a climbing session so that part was covered).

And then kids came, one just before covid and one during. I clinged to that climbing (with buddy) a bit, that was my escape for few hours a week into easy good times that were. Then I had this year injury of wrist, and then broken foot (all in civil setting, ie falling down the stairs in kindergarten) and I lost it all, and I blamed kids internally. I was depressed a bit. My sleep for past year was never, ever uninterrupted, good 8 hours (those damned teeth, how could evolution fucked up so badly? any animal with this trait would simply die out over few generations). That normal sleep is just gone, and I am mentally at maybe 70% at better days, more irritable, less patient.

But the thing is, kids bring up the hardest moments just as much as the best moments of your life. And we humans generally are OK with suffering quite a bit for those few nice moments. Kids bring tons of those. Even when walking relative valley of the shadow now with small kids (diapers, various naps during day that block anything bigger, teeth and lack of sleep), without cheaping out and outsourcing many troubles to nanny (or grandparents), they are amazing to watch, to experience. They love you back, unconditionally (for now), and it just feels natural to continue what all generations since ever did. It had been a rough year, few folks died in close family, and when my grandpa died 2 days ago, hugging my kids made it much much much more bearable.

I am pretty darn sure that skipping kids would be by far the biggest regret of my life later, met quite a few older folks like that. No need to always do the mistake to realize others were right again. But - if one has some serious mental issue which make them unable to be a stable partner and caretaker, then it should definitely be avoided. Too many sad stories out there already.

Re: 75% of the time we spend with our kids in our lifetime will be spent by age 12

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Obviously this doesn’t hold true for everyone, but your attachment to your kid has nothing to do with how you feel about kids in general.

You start by saying you're not generalizing to literally everyone, but then you follow up by generalizing to literally everyone. You can state that "my attachment to my kid has nothing to do with how I feel about kids in general" but the way you've phrased it makes it generalized and you apply it to the generic you . Talking about " your attachment to your kid" reads very much like lecturing me about how you're telli…

I start by saying “Obviously this doesn’t hold true for everyone” which means I’m about to make a generalization, and generalizations, by the diverse nature of people, are unlikely to apply to every single person even if they hold true in a majority of cases.

Re: 75% of the time we spend with our kids in our lifetime will be spent by age 12

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One of the things I have a hard time conveying to non-parents is that the most time-intensive parts of parenting don't last forever. I've talked to a lot of young people who say they don't want kids because they think their personal lives will permanently halt the moment they have kids. I spend a lot of time trying to explain that: 1) I still spend a lot of time with friends and can do most of my personal hobbies/act…

I don't think I'm necessarily having the same experience as you.... my advice to people who aren't sure if they want kids, is DON'T. It's bloody hard, you sacrifice A LOT. Don't have kids unless you're very sure it's what you want. I have 2 kids under 6 and I feel like I just don't have any time for any of my hobbies any more. I leave for work first thing, come home in the afternoon, and haven't had any time for myse…

The big change for me was year 6.. so hang in there friend.

When they are 6 they become much more self contained, they don't need constant entertaining. They will leave you alone, without being asked, for hours at a time to do what they want to.

You have 2 so you will have a bit of a longer spell, but after 6 you enter into the high summer of their childhood. They are small enough not to have any real problems (apart from, god forbid, medical ones) but they are big enough to give you time and space to breath.

I hear your pain. But it will be worth it, and it will improve.

Re: 75% of the time we spend with our kids in our lifetime will be spent by age 12

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You know what’s kind of weird? …When people say they can’t do any of their own hobbies because they have kids. I get it if you’re into kinky or extremely dangerous hobbies BUT… - I’ve always shared my hobbies with my kids. When I was really into making music, I gave my toddler at first Toca Music and then eventually their own iPad with GarageBand and we would just make songs together. - When I wrote apps, I taught th…

I agree but sadly my 3 year old isn't able to rock climb, and he's a danger to himself in a room with free weights (much less actual plates), so I think I may just have to pick up additional hobbies.

Maybe all you need is one more year. I'm bouldering with my 4yo weekly :)

Re: 75% of the time we spend with our kids in our lifetime will be spent by age 12

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If it makes you feel any better I delayed having kids and spent my 30s dating and hanging out and going to bars -- and it was terrible. I was never more depressed. I got tired of dating. I got tired of bars. I was lonely. My life had no meaning or direction. I had a nice career and could go anywhere and do anything I wanted, but it turns out none of that made me even a little bit happy. I remember one summer making p…

37, almost 38 and no kids, doing what you are describing right now all over the world, and it is absolutely amazing. I think your depression and feeling of everything being overrated is a you thing, and not everyone feels that way. This has been the best decade of my life and I have been poor the whole time, just hustling and making things work how i can with jobs and money and exploring the world and the people

Been there, done that (and tons of adrenaline/extreme sports on top of that), it feels amazing when you discover it and few more years, but novelty wears off a bit eventually. Had kids, and those years brought some nice memories and personal growth, but otherwise they were shallow.

There is no more depth in life than raising kids properly, the good and bad combined. If you are up to it.

Re: 75% of the time we spend with our kids in our lifetime will be spent by age 12

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Yes! American, Anglo-Saxon culture while widespread is not the norm. There is such thing as Inter-generational living. You often see advice on the internet: Why are you 20 and still living with your parents, you're a loser. You're 30 still living with your parents, you won't amount to anything. Yeah right!!! Meanwhile they leave alone with a dog, - need a ton of additional psychotherapy to stay sane. - Need to setup…

OTOH some people need the psychologist because they are living with their parents.

OTOH some people need the psychologist because they aren't living with their parents.

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Saying "an edge case exists" sounds really helpful to push your viewpoint but if you can just put "not" in the sentence and it's still just as true... what've we gained in the conversation by saying it?

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