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Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by modeless »

shaklee3 wrote: post #166
modeless wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a refundable deposit, not a down payment. There is no obligation on either side. There is too much demand and the service is oversubscribed in populated areas. Planes spend a lot of time in areas that aren't populated, so it makes perfect sense that they can offer service to planes before people in oversubscribed regions. They are working as hard as they possibly can to get Starship working, which will enable St…

> Planes spend a lot of time in areas that aren't populate no, planes spend most of their time in populated areas. specifically near major airports, and the WiFi needs to work on the ground as well.

> > Planes spend a lot of time in areas that aren't populated

> no, planes spend most of their time in populated areas

These statements are not mutually exclusive. Even if planes aren't spending an absolute majority of their time in unpopulated areas, it's still a lot of time compared to the 0% that a fixed terminal in a suburb would spend. Starlink needs paying customers in those unpopulated areas, even if they are only there some of the time. And the customers need Starlink too, even more than rural customers, many of whom could in theory be served by fixed wireless or something; that's not a possibility for planes over the poles or what have you.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by aeternum »

socialismisok wrote: post #84
cdnsteve wrote: post #62

It would be nice if Starlink could honour their existing obligations as a priority first. I have reserved Starlink here in Canada nearly two years ago and received an email advising it's now been pushed to summer 2023. That's three years of waiting. I was also emailed last year advising the monthly cost has increased and so has the dish itself. Shouldn't providing down payment legally guarantee to buy a service at or…

Having been a Tesla owner for a decade, give or take, I think the motto for Musk's companies may as well be "over promise and under deliver"

As Musk likes to put it, his companies specialize in 'converting things from impossible to late'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx7xksVPFzQ

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by AYBABTME »

socialismisok wrote: post #204
ericd wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What models are you referring to? Having driven a loaded Taycan, which I think is probably most often cited as being superior, I’d take even a basic Tesla over it any day. AFAICT, none of the competitors have the full system UX dialed in like Tesla.

BMW ix, Ford Mach e, Ford lightning, Mercedes EQS, Hyundai Kona, VW id4, Rivian r1t. Both established brands and new players are coming after the market hard. It's not hard to imagine that Tesla will have serious competition basically now.

Many make decent cars, even good cars (Hyundai) but they don't make better EVs than Tesla. Hyundai might be there in terms of value IFF the non-Tesla charging network wasn't so abysmal. I drove multiple manufacturers and currently own a Tesla and a Hyundai EV.

Re: Starlink Aviation

#236

Post by hoseja »

shaklee3 wrote: post #166
modeless wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a refundable deposit, not a down payment. There is no obligation on either side. There is too much demand and the service is oversubscribed in populated areas. Planes spend a lot of time in areas that aren't populated, so it makes perfect sense that they can offer service to planes before people in oversubscribed regions. They are working as hard as they possibly can to get Starship working, which will enable St…

> Planes spend a lot of time in areas that aren't populate no, planes spend most of their time in populated areas. specifically near major airports, and the WiFi needs to work on the ground as well.

And you can use mobile networks/airport wifi there.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by jlund-molfese »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #53
brianwawok wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the time a plane is over farm fields or water. Highest demand for normal starlink is in cities. Not gonna be flying over NYC w this. Kind of a good fit I would think in terms of utilization.

> Highest demand for normal starlink is in cities. ?? cities have fiber, who wants starlink in a city?

Fiber may be available in a city, but not in your building. It’s moderately common for a high rise apartment to only have the option of one ISP, with mediocre internet plans (especially if the building has a special contract with the ISP)

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by londons_explore »

ShakataGaNai wrote: post #40
strgrd wrote: post #36

Are there no aerodynamic concerns for that installation? The VHF instruments pictured on top of the fuselage make this thing look like a plow that would be better fit on top of a Sprinter van... they couldn't have gone for a dome?

The Ku/Ka band antenna's used by other providers are quite significant in size. https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/gogo-2ku-inflight-wi... https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/466228743522893824

If I was an airline considering this, I'd want to see $/km fuel costs from the extra air resistance in the sales brochure...

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by londons_explore »

Won't this require spectrum licensed from every country the plane fly's over?

Easy in North America... But all other regions of the world a typical flight might go over 20 countries. If you can't secure a license for just one, you're gonna have a 5 hour flight with 20 minutes of no internet... Not great.

And I don't think they're getting a license for Russia, Iran, China, half of Africa, etc any time soon.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by Someone1234 »

mlindner wrote: post #221
schappim wrote: post #61

How much does it cost to install on my private jet? Or is it a case of if I have to ask, I don't have a private jet?

If you had clicked the link before posting you would know.

The link doesn't cover their question. They asked about installation costs, the link only talks about monthly costs ($12.5-25K) and hardware cost (150K). Modification to an aircraft, expertise, and being FAA cleared is always expensive.
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