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No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by lucb1e »

dividedbyzero wrote: post #117
lucb1e wrote: post #111

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I didn't notice anything worse during 2019 than during previous years. There were fewer calls to sanitation, if anything, or perhaps the calls didn't stand out to me anymore. Either way, while you're probably right that the earliest cases of covid were probably already there, it's not as though "the congress flu" (never heard anyone call it 'plague', either) was because of covid, or because of covid even just that ye…

> "the congress flu" (never heard anyone call it 'plague', either) I think the "Seuche" in Congress-Seuche falls somewhere in between. I can attest that at least Congress-Seuche has been in use in the past, somewhat analogous to the annual "Wiesnseuche" flu wave in Munich during and after the Oktoberfest.

Last time congress happened, I didn't speak German at all. I just meant the translation; that I've only ever heard it called flu (from what I remember). Things being lost in translation isn't new though, so of course I trust that the German word can mean that :)

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by throw10920 »

f1shy wrote: post #99
throw10920 wrote: post #72

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Independently of the truth of your statements - your comments would be better received (and, more importantly, help preserve the quality of Hacker News) if you were a little bit less...emotionally charged in your language.

Honest question: other than the phrase "It's been a disaster of a Government with disastrous policies" which is really negative, but I still consider it a valid point of view. What is emotionally charged in the language? I feel frustration, but I do not see anything too emotional. Except that in HN you have to be a robot to post?

We might have slightly different ideas of what "emotionally charged" means, or I might have used the wrong phrase. Part of what I'm objecting to is sentences like "amusing that people get so triggered when people's objectively bad policies".

You may not consider "amusing that people get so triggered" to necessarily be "emotionally charged", but it certainly doesn't provide a lot of information or value to HN, and I think that it'll stir up other people's emotions.

Similarly, "objectively bad policies" is a very strong assertion to phrase something with a lot of political dialog around it, and like much of that other political dialogue, doesn't do a whole lot to back it up.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by bhaak »

happyopossum wrote: post #96
dividedbyzero wrote: post #53

I get why they do it. Oktoberfest in Munich led to a big Covid surge with hospitals filling up at a dangerous rate, and experience tells that December will be worse, so their event would almost certainly be severely downsized or altogether disallowed by the authorities. Renewed Covid restrictions are already being debated in German politics with the general expectation being that some restrictions like masks and less…

> Oktoberfest in Munich led to a big Covid surge with hospitals filling up at a dangerous rate I'm not seeing any evidence anywhere that there were 'dangerous' rates of hospitalizations, unless you consider any increase 'dangerous'. Have any facts to back that up, or is it hyperbole?

How about the hospitals opting out of handling emergency cases?

https://twitter.com/dokhollidays/status/1582013255106498560

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by iconosynclast »

I see a lot of people being surprised at the risk benefit calculus leading to this decision but not many recognizing that the threat of people getting sick isnt the only issue. having an event like that if there is going to be a mask mandate for example would simply not be any fun in my opinion and I think problems of this nature are a large part of the decision

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by happyopossum »

bhaak wrote: post #123
happyopossum wrote: post #96

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> Oktoberfest in Munich led to a big Covid surge with hospitals filling up at a dangerous rate I'm not seeing any evidence anywhere that there were 'dangerous' rates of hospitalizations, unless you consider any increase 'dangerous'. Have any facts to back that up, or is it hyperbole?

How about the hospitals opting out of handling emergency cases? https://twitter.com/dokhollidays/status/1582013255106498560

I think the past few years have shown that an unsubstantiated twitter thread is worthy of much credence - especially in light of a significant lack of traditional reporting on the topic.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by throw827474737 »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #105
lagrange77 wrote: post #94

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For me it sends the message: We actually believe in science and scientist predict high covid numbers for the timeframe. In contrast to others, who act completely surprised, when the predictions come true.

High numbers are not a problem if the healthcare is not overwhelmed. The cases have been ever less severe and even last winter the measures were much tougher than needed. We can't always keep walking on our toes because something might happen.

Read a bit behind mainstream, we are not fully overloaded yet but hospitals are getting critically full, it is doctors ringing the alarm, our health care workers are still understaffed, the situation here at least is quite precarious, even if noone wants to talk about it loud.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by throw827474737 »

lagrange77 wrote: post #110
pantalaimon wrote: post #26

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The official numbers: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus...

Do i interpret it correctly, that the hospitalization is at it's all time high right now?

Yup, exactly! Nothing to see ger, go ahead, we want to be all surprised again.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by crest »

crazytalk wrote: post #90
usrusr wrote: post #78

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No, not at all. But the entirety of CCC isn't "normal", C3 isn't just some command line Oktoberfest. CCC identifies a lot with greater-good responsibility and that's not really compatible with the position of "I'll pretend the pandemic does not exist unless authorities force my hand" that a commercial event organizer would take.

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