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No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by wink »

DocTomoe wrote: post #10
formerly_proven wrote: post #4

I feel like it may have been a better idea to move the congress to some time in the summer, because public health restrictions in the winter don't seem to go away. We've had vaccines since early 2021, and the 2021 winter still had restrictions, now we're two years down the road and looking at another wave and another restricted winter. I don't see how it's going to be substantially different for the 2023 winter unles…

Summer is not a good time for a Congress, for large event venues like congress centers tend to be fully booked by then. Which leaves camps - but not everyone loves the idea of camping, and then you got the weather gods to sacrifice to (I vividly remember the thunderstorm evacuation...). Given that virtually every other country in the world seems to have accepted that Covid will be here to stay, Germans will eventuall…

Depends on how you want to look at it. Deciding that you, as the current organizing team of a large-scale event, won't be responsible for possibly 10k people catching it on your event is also a valid choice until someone steps up who can live with that. The congress taking place is a not some sort of god-given right.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by throw10920 »

rjzzleep wrote: post #23
mnd999 wrote: post #20

Is it normal in Germany to still be cancelling large events due to Covid? That certainly isn't the case in the UK and hasn't been for some time.

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Independently of the truth of your statements - your comments would be better received (and, more importantly, help preserve the quality of Hacker News) if you were a little bit less...emotionally charged in your language.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by elif »

pantalaimon wrote: post #8
F30 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

37C3 is its 37th edition, which is now going to take place in a later year.

Do you think the COVID situation will be any different in 2023?

It is possible that we will have a viable universal sarbecovirus vaccine by then.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by sascha_sl »

alexb_ wrote: post #68
Semaphor wrote: post #37

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Tags are extremely useful for people who want to ignore arguments based solely on who is making them. I really am not a fan of how popular they are getting.

Time is precious. Why not spend it where you expect to get more value.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by kuschku »

dividedbyzero wrote: post #53

I get why they do it. Oktoberfest in Munich led to a big Covid surge with hospitals filling up at a dangerous rate, and experience tells that December will be worse, so their event would almost certainly be severely downsized or altogether disallowed by the authorities. Renewed Covid restrictions are already being debated in German politics with the general expectation being that some restrictions like masks and less…

There will likely be a remote event again, in the style of rc3, but it won't be a congress in the way the 37c3 would have been.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by kuschku »

grnmamba wrote: post #61
kuschku wrote: post #42

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It's normal for event organizers to still be careful and limit and/or cancel events. There's little government action on this nowadays (although there might be some more enforcement this winter). Germany is (sadly) not running a China-style Zero Covid plan. Especially considering the chaos congress was, even before covid, known for the "hacker pest", a type of flu that pretty much every attendee would contract due to…

. Germany is (sadly) not running a China-style Zero Covid plan. Assuming sarcasm

No sarcasm intended.

Having a 2 to 3 week lockdown every few months would be far preferable over the current situation where you constantly have to be on the lookout yourself and will still get infected anyway, resulting in weeks of being unable to work due to long covid.

If you've had long covid, even when vaccinated (as in my case), you'll realize why stricter measures are so important.

Most local ccc chapters, e.g., Chaosdorf, still enforce a strict vaccination + daily tests + FFP2 masks rule for their spaces, for the same reasons.

One of the major features of the chaos congress was that it was purely run by volunteers, including the emergency response team. And pretty much no one with that knowledge would support an event like the congress in the current pandemic situation.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by Semaphor »

alexb_ wrote: post #68
Semaphor wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Tags are extremely useful for people who want to ignore arguments based solely on who is making them. I really am not a fan of how popular they are getting.

But I don’t care about the "who", I care about their arguments. The user in question has shown with their arguments, that they are like a tabloid paper, not only do you have to take what they write with a grain of salt, it’s better to start from the assumption they are lying. It’s the same reason I use the Axel Springer (German publisher of Europe’s biggest tabloid BILD) blocklist, so visiting their sites takes an extra click.

edit: If I cared about the who, I’d remember the names.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by usrusr »

mnd999 wrote: post #20

Is it normal in Germany to still be cancelling large events due to Covid? That certainly isn't the case in the UK and hasn't been for some time.

No, not at all. But the entirety of CCC isn't "normal", C3 isn't just some command line Oktoberfest. CCC identifies a lot with greater-good responsibility and that's not really compatible with the position of "I'll pretend the pandemic does not exist unless authorities force my hand" that a commercial event organizer would take.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by M2Ys4U »

turing_complete wrote: post #59

Weird decision. I am in Germany and no one cares about Covid anymore. I don't think we will have super strict covid measures this winter.

>Weird decision. I am in Germany and no one cares about Covid anymore.

Maybe that's part of the problem...

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by zichy »

kuschku wrote: post #75
dividedbyzero wrote: post #53

I get why they do it. Oktoberfest in Munich led to a big Covid surge with hospitals filling up at a dangerous rate, and experience tells that December will be worse, so their event would almost certainly be severely downsized or altogether disallowed by the authorities. Renewed Covid restrictions are already being debated in German politics with the general expectation being that some restrictions like masks and less…

There will likely be a remote event again, in the style of rc3, but it won't be a congress in the way the 37c3 would have been.

There won't be _one_ remote event again, but multiple decentralized ones.
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