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Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by jmyeet »

First, this is further proof that the Apple iOS permission model is just better. There's no laundry list of permissions. You get asked for very few things and they're the things users care about (eg app running in background). Less is more. Very few people understand these laundry lists.

Second, Qatar is one of those places that you should realize what you're getting into by going. It is a religious monarchy with essentially sharia law. Insulting the ruling family will get you in serious trouble. Drinking will get you in serious trouble. Homosexuality or even out-of-marriage sex will get you in serious trouble. There are lots of rules and the punishments are harsh. Personally I wouldn't go. If you do, you have to accept a bunch of things you wouldn't wherever you're from most likely.

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Post by lawn »

fy20 wrote: post #15

This is really no different than what other countries do, e.g. US border officials extensively questioning foreigners or asking for usernames and passwords for social media. As a visitor you have to abide by the law of the country, which may be different from your own country, and whose interpretation may be stretched by border control at the point of entry. The only difference here is that they were able to build an…

US has infamously heinous border controls, what they do should not be the acceptable way. It also doesn't excuse that other countries behave in similar and disgusting ways.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by nkmnz »

nottorp wrote: post #179
sofixa wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I know someone in Germany and their covid tracking app tells you when and where you were close to someone who was last tested positive. So everyone does it the same way, recording location. Not sure about Germany, but in France the app doesn't track location. It tracks nearby devices (with Bluetooth, rotating identifiers frequently), and when one marks oneself as positive, it informs the central server of the ident…

My friend was definitely told where he was on the last contact. Doesn't mean his location left the phone though. [He didn't get Covid this time, but off topic for this discussion.] Edit: or maybe it's on topic because the location was at some amusement park outdoors. Since he knew where and it was relatively safe, he didn't have to worry much about the test results...

There isn't even a specific point in time given, only the day.

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Post by bibaheu »

Roark66 wrote: post #102
incompatible wrote: post #25

Wouldn't an easy work-around be to get a cheap new Android phone? I assume you only have to install the apps on one device, if you take two; otherwise, just take the new one. I doubt that the expense would be an issue for somebody attending the World Cup. It seems like this would be good practice these days for any international travel.

At some point few years ago it became practically impossible to do any business in China from the outside without what's app (no idea why as allegedly its banned there). This is around the some time samsung had their "My Knox" feature on their S8 or S9 phone. This feature was like an isolated container for apps, an android equivalent of VM. The purpose was to place your banking and other critical apps there and the n…

It still does, it's now called "Secure Folder". There's "Insular" from F-Droid as well.

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Post by smcl »

polotics wrote: post #90

Since Electronic Arts righteously dumped FIFA like a ton of rotten bricks, why don't they organise a football world cup instead? Less corruption money must mean more leftover for the players and staff involved. Also instead of some nebulous process for the host country selection, get game owners to vote, they're already very securely identified. The time to ride on the complete stink the air conditioned slave-labour…

> Get your lawyers to review the contractual structure of leagues and clubs, it can't be that the whole international set of deals is failsafe, players can probably just walk.

I think you're mixing up two things:

1. domestic club competitions - Serie A in Italy, the Bundesliga in Germany, The Premier League in England etc - where players have contracts with clubs and where the most successful teams in each league will compete things like the Champions League.

2. the national game - where country-level football associations select teams based on various national eligibility criteria to compete with other countries in continental competitions (European Championship, CONCACAF Cup etc) and the World Cup.

FIFA are not really involved with #1, it is primarily concerned with the nation-level competitions. It does have a club-level competition between the winner of each confederations' Champions League equivalent, but only the non-European participants really care about that. Additionally, players can and do "just walk" at the national level - some choose not to play either because they don't want to be injured playing for their country in a 9-0 victory over San Marino when their domestic club is in a tight race for the title or they're on a Champions League run. Players also refuse to play for personal reasons - like due to a falling out with a coach (Roy Keane for Ireland in 2002) or with an association (like Duncan Ferguson for Scotland in the '90s). So they know they can refuse to play, but they continue to do so.

There is not a snowball's chance in hell that an alternative World Cup would gain any sort of traction at all. Fans would be dismissive and the various national football associations would not take it seriously either. Additionally, the footballing calendar is already quite full so you couldn't run it in parallel with the existing tournaments, meaning that you couldn't slowly develop and grow the competition gradually, you'd need to replace the world cup from day one.

As shitty as FIFA are, they're here to stay.

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Post by smcl »

polotics wrote: post #208
sofixa wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Since Electronic Arts righteously dumped FIFA like a ton of rotten bricks It wasn't righteous, it was over money (FIFA asking for too much). > why don't they organise a football world cup instead Because FIFA is the organising body of football, all regional (UEFA, CONCACAF, etc.) and country Football Associations are under FIFA's jurisdiction (and are members of FIFA). Countries couldn't participate in a rival even…

Does FIFA own a copyright on the word "football"? no Does shipping 20 players from 50 poorer countries cost a lot? no does FIFA even owns a copyright on the words "Football World Cup"?

EA could very well setup "The EA Football World Cup" and invite the world's football associations to participate in it, with substantial prize money as a reward. But even if the countries could participate (they couldn't, unless they sent their Under 21s or other development/reserve players, see my other comment) and even if they did participate (many wouldn't) the tournament would be seen as an inferior knock-off and wouldn't gain the support from the fans that would be required to make it worthwhile.

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Post by mnw21cam »

vaylian wrote: post #96
robswc wrote: post #22

What if you don’t have a smart phone? Or hell, what about one that’s 5+ years old? Are they just SoL?

what is SoL? > What if you don’t have a smart phone? Remember, that you want something from them (entering the country). They can refuse you if they don't like your old-fashioned lifestyle.

Soldier Out of Luck.

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Post by vaylian »

lodovic wrote: post #200
thread_id wrote: post #69

In general, when travelling internationally, it is just easier to leave your phone at home and buy a cheap phone with a prepaid plan when you get to country. This avoids all of the potential intrusions that come with passing through security and borders.

But when your phone is inspected at the border, and you have only 2 days of chat history, no browser history, no call log, and no saved photos, won't that raise even more questions?

You could answer: I just got a new phone 2 days ago, because my old one broke down.

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Post by ghostDancer »

seventhtiger wrote: post #210
ghostDancer wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Classified as “non-work related” by the event’s organizing committee", I guess the same committee that bribed FIFA[1] and from the same government that has not really high values for human rights and much less for the rights of immigrant labor force. And no autopsies allowed to investigate deaths even. And there are much more reports about deaths[2] just search around the web . But We know that money washes everythi…

I can't find any primary sources for excessive deaths during construction. FIFA corruption is completely unrelated. The Qatari government is only being questioned about the 34 of 37 workers dying, and there's no evidence of a coverup either. If your general point is "I don't like the Qatari government" that's fine. If your point is hundreds of workers died at work but was covered up then a lot more solid evidence is…

Define primary sources, you mean the Qatari government?, the one that blocks the autopsies?. Because news around are easily found about it: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/25/revealed-qatar... I know we can only talk human rights when is about China, Iran or Russia, Qatar, Emirates and Saudi Arabia are off limits because they are our economic allies.

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Post by kevincox »

jonplackett wrote: post #150

Surly these permissions aren’t actually possible on iPhone? Apps can’t access other apps even with permission, or disable the lock screen etc.

It's also not possible on Android to access other apps' data. (even as a user which is frustrating). But it can ask for access to all common storage which usually contains images, downloads and some other stuff.
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