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Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by hedgehog »

whyenot wrote: post #40
xutopia wrote: post #5

The overfished. Simple as that. Snow crabs have been becoming smaller and smaller because the biggest ones were not living that long anymore. It happened to cod fisheries in eastern Canada and it is happening everywhere until it's too late.

No, it's not that simple. The snow crab fishery is pretty highly regulated and considered to be sustainably harvested (by NOAA, the Monterey Bay Aquarium, others). As mentioned in an another article [1] from August on the recent disappearance, there were large numbers of juveniles in 2018 and 2019. Something else is going on. Overfishing certainly may play a role, but something else is likely the primary factor. 1. h…

I don't know much about snow crab but Dungeness and various oysters in the Pacific Northwest US are threatened by rising ocean acidity caused by increased CO2. Warmer water is also allowing green crabs to take hold. Farther south urchins have killed off a lot of kelp forest in a way that seems not to self-correct. Easy to imagine there are similar problems all over the ocean.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by logicalmonster »

woodruffw wrote: post #58
darth_avocado wrote: post #53

I am willing to bet it is illegal fishing boats from countries I dare not to list for being downvoted. It is well known that some countries list a few hundred boats but in reality have fleets of tens of thousands of boats that operate under the radar. They over fish and destroy entire ecosystems and no one is doing anything about it.

Do you have any evidence to back this up, or is this just xenophobic speculation? China’s encroachment on sovereign waters for fishing is one thing when it’s against South American countries with small navies; it’s another thing entirely when it’s the US. I doubt they’re behind this.

Why are you assuming that the poster is hinting at China when his comment didn't mention the country?

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by barbazoo »

ijidak wrote: post #2

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Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by masklinn »

_Adam wrote: post #12
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meh, our ability to change the earth grows every year sooner or later we'll fix it.

We'll fix it till it's broke!

We’ll break it till it’s fixed! Bearings will continue until morale improves! Breakfast and move things!

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by masklinn »

hyperbovine wrote: post #20
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That our ability to change the world is increasing? I mean we are clearly affecting it more then we ever had in the past. Or do you want a citation from the future?

I think (s)he was referring part about how we'll "definitely" know how to fix it before it's too late.

> (s)he

English has a perfectly cromulent singular neutral, no need for that.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by checker »

whymauri wrote: post #64
Damogran6 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You and everybody else. That's the problem.

There are many ways to solve the specific problem of overfishing, mostly to set aside zones where fishing is not allowed so the population can recover. This is at the level of government and states, having little to do with anything within my power.

Creating zones is one thing, enforcement is another. Hopefully technology can help solve this because I honestly don't see any other way - the oceans are too vast.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by PuppyTailWags »

starik36 wrote: post #69
ilamont wrote: post #4

Something similar happened to the cod fishing industry in Newfoundland and other parts of eastern Canada 30 years ago. The reason: overfishing, due in large part to technological advances. Here's what happened: Canada and NAFO continued to overestimate the abundance of cod in the Atlantic Ocean and therefore continued to set dangerously high [Total Allowable Catches]. This was in large part due to the widespread prac…

Looks like this article was written in 2008. I wonder if the population has rebounded in the last 15 years at all.

Wikipedia says its not expected to recover to sustainable levels until 2030. Mind that they take 2-8 years to reach sexual maturity and were reduced to 1% of original population level, so a span of decades to recover is pretty sadly expected.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by reaperducer »

mattw2121 wrote: post #8

King Salmon fishing was shut down in much of Alaska this season as well. I was there during the time and driving through the Kenai Peninsula was much different than previous years. Normally, you'll see people lined up on the river all over the place.

There was at least one piece of good news this year. The river that hosts the Fat Bear competition had a record number of salmon this year. I think the estimate was 74 million.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by PuppyTailWags »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #70
whyenot wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's not that simple. The snow crab fishery is pretty highly regulated and considered to be sustainably harvested (by NOAA, the Monterey Bay Aquarium, others). As mentioned in an another article [1] from August on the recent disappearance, there were large numbers of juveniles in 2018 and 2019. Something else is going on. Overfishing certainly may play a role, but something else is likely the primary factor. 1. h…

> considered to be sustainably harvested (by NOAA, the Monterey Bay Aquarium, others) maybe they considered incorrectly, based on historical data that doesn't reflect recent conditions also possibly that regulations are being flaunted by bad actors it could seem improbable that either of those would lead to a sudden catastrophic decline, but many systems do experience a point where what had been a linear decline sudd…

In previous collapses such organizations sounded the alarm well before. Something else is happening.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by masklinn »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #35
yamazakiwi wrote: post #27

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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic but with this name I hope you are because it's hilarious.

It's a parody cover. That twitter account is hilarious: https://twitter.com/paprbckparadise/status/12512693961120931...

Alternatively, the antagonists of much of Neal Asher’s polity series are spacefaring crustaceans.
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