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Meh, our ability to change the earth grows every year sooner or later we'll fix it.
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Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs
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Meh, our ability to change the earth grows every year sooner or later we'll fix it.
Citation needed
That our ability to change the world is increasing? I mean we are clearly affecting it more then we ever had in the past. Or do you want a citation from the future?
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#15Wow, those are some crazy numbers. Shocking it could happen that fast... what's next?
I'm eating as much delicious sushi grade tuna I can before it's gone.
Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs
#16The overfished. Simple as that. Snow crabs have been becoming smaller and smaller because the biggest ones were not living that long anymore. It happened to cod fisheries in eastern Canada and it is happening everywhere until it's too late.
COD, the fish that changed the world. Amazingly well written book.
Apparently Cod used to be MUCH larger than it is today. for the same reason, they dont grow very old.
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Citation needed
That our ability to change the world is increasing? I mean we are clearly affecting it more then we ever had in the past. Or do you want a citation from the future?
I think we’ve demonstrated that we can change the world in unintended ways, whereas your “meh” above assumes we can change it in intended ways.
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What about farmed trout? https://www.clearsprings.com
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Apparently the definition of "sustainable" comes from the United Nations, not NOAA: https://ocean.si.edu/conservation/fishing/sustainable-fishin... They also disagree with you that they've never been sustainably fished.
The problem is that "sustainable" is always based on past observations. There were 40+ years of observations for these crab and a stable fishery. But if the environment changes for the worse, the data-based definition of "sustainable" for a stock might not change fast enough to compensate.
So the "new sustainability" under climate change has to be much more precautionary than before, and yet not shut down on false signals. It's tricky science even when intentions are good.
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Citation needed
That our ability to change the world is increasing? I mean we are clearly affecting it more then we ever had in the past. Or do you want a citation from the future?
I think (s)he was referring part about how we'll "definitely" know how to fix it before it's too late.