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Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by kodah »

squidfood wrote: post #19
kodah wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently the definition of "sustainable" comes from the United Nations, not NOAA: https://ocean.si.edu/conservation/fishing/sustainable-fishin... They also disagree with you that they've never been sustainably fished.

The problem is that "sustainable" is always based on past observations. There were 40+ years of observations for these crab and a stable fishery. But if the environment changes for the worse, the data-based definition of "sustainable" for a stock might not change fast enough to compensate. So the "new sustainability" under climate change has to be much more precautionary than before, and yet not shut down on false si…

Agreed, just making lucid the details of this argument. It's easy to take away from what you said that we haven't even tried.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by ok_dad »

jeffbee wrote: post #7

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> Humans have never practiced truly sustainable fishing at any time or place in history.

Oh shit, something I know about!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DqH2DPSw4g

Yea, people have actually done this sustainably.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by darth_avocado »

I am willing to bet it is illegal fishing boats from countries I dare not to list for being downvoted. It is well known that some countries list a few hundred boats but in reality have fleets of tens of thousands of boats that operate under the radar. They over fish and destroy entire ecosystems and no one is doing anything about it.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by AlexandrB »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #9
ijidak wrote: post #2

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Meh, our ability to change the earth grows every year sooner or later we'll fix it.

Someday, maybe we'll be able to bring back well-known extinct species like passenger pigeons where biological material may still exist in a museum somewhere. We're never going to bring back the thousands of arthropod species that have gone extinct since the industrial revolution[1] - many of which we never knew about in the first place.

[1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000632071...

> However, it is likely that insect extinctions since the industrial era are around 5 to 10%, i.e. 250,000 to 500,000 species, based on estimates of 7% extinctions for land snails (Régnier et al., 2015). In total at least one million species are facing extinction in the coming decades, half of them being insects (IPBES, 2019).

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

werdnapk wrote: post #38
ijidak wrote: post #2

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Earth isn't in trouble, but we are. Earth will continue on and we'll end up as a minor footnote in the history of the planet.

The anthropocene will be visible in every history of the planet as one of the most rapid changes in every geologically and archaeologically observable metric, on the scale of the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs.

The asteroid may vanished in a massive conflagration, but people don't talk about it because that particular lump of space rock went extinct, they talk about all the other changes that came about as a result of its admittedly short time in our atmosphere and ecosystem.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by krastanov »

darth_avocado wrote: post #53

I am willing to bet it is illegal fishing boats from countries I dare not to list for being downvoted. It is well known that some countries list a few hundred boats but in reality have fleets of tens of thousands of boats that operate under the radar. They over fish and destroy entire ecosystems and no one is doing anything about it.

But China is overfishing in the public, not "under the radar", and they usually only go up to someones territorial waters, do not completely cross. Moreover, I very much doubt they would dare do so to a semi-powerful western state, let alone the US. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/09/insider/a-clear-look-at-c...

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by pphysch »

darth_avocado wrote: post #53

I am willing to bet it is illegal fishing boats from countries I dare not to list for being downvoted. It is well known that some countries list a few hundred boats but in reality have fleets of tens of thousands of boats that operate under the radar. They over fish and destroy entire ecosystems and no one is doing anything about it.

Or there are corrupt fishery regulators who are giving wild overestimations of fish population in return for kickbacks from fishery associations/cartels.

If it was the Big Bad, there would be political uproar. But if it was good ole corruption, it would be business as usual.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by woodruffw »

darth_avocado wrote: post #53

I am willing to bet it is illegal fishing boats from countries I dare not to list for being downvoted. It is well known that some countries list a few hundred boats but in reality have fleets of tens of thousands of boats that operate under the radar. They over fish and destroy entire ecosystems and no one is doing anything about it.

Do you have any evidence to back this up, or is this just xenophobic speculation?

China’s encroachment on sovereign waters for fishing is one thing when it’s against South American countries with small navies; it’s another thing entirely when it’s the US. I doubt they’re behind this.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by cluoma »

mattw2121 wrote: post #8

King Salmon fishing was shut down in much of Alaska this season as well. I was there during the time and driving through the Kenai Peninsula was much different than previous years. Normally, you'll see people lined up on the river all over the place.

At the Whitehorse dam we also had one of the lowest counts of Chinook on record this year. Not looking good for northern sea life at the moment.
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