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Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

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Post by ummonk »

lupire wrote: post #228
ummonk wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a spouse? You might be worried about public school quality, but at some point it would be cheaper to just have the spouse stay at home and home school.

Huh? Why would the spouse do it instead of OP? And why do you think having a full-time tutor is cheaper than group care at a school?

Potentially OP could do it. But from the wording of the comment, it sounds like OP is the main earner in the household, so if they have a spouse then the net income opportunity cost from not working would be lower for the spouse.

As to why it's cheaper, that's a calculation they have to make. If the spouse's net income (looking at marginal tax rates) is greater than 3k a month, then it's not cheaper.

Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

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Post by SilasX »

itake wrote: post #330
SilasX wrote: post #261

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Refund or voucher to the parent suffering it. Still not seeing how you went from that to “don’t you understand that non-parents should fund public schools?” The premise is that those hurt by it, parents, recover money to otherwise educate their kids. Nowhere in that was a claim that the childless should get money back for being childless, so I don’t see how addressing that is responsive.

I think you’re saying that If your kids are not using the service, then you should not pay the tax. This doesn’t sound any different from someone having no kids, not using the service, and expecting a refund.

No, they're hugely different. One of them accepts that the state should still be paying for education of children regardless of whether your personally have children -- just with better options than failed public schools. Which is why lectures about how "we should all be paying for kids' education" is very unresponsive. Which is why I said so. And have not yet gotten a substantive reply that addresses the criticism.

Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

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Post by Kon-Peki »

thwayunion wrote: post #329
prvit wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're specifically talking about a field where even a decade ago "proper education" was only offered by a couple of schools in the world. Compsci is not an infosec-related degree.

> Compsci is not an infosec-related degree. The vast majority of the people who invented, built, and maintain all the systems infosec people are deploying had CS or CE degrees. A good CS degree provides an excellent foundation for infosec careers. In fact, at many institutions, the infosec major is very similar to the CS major. It's not everything you need, which is why a CISO should minimally also spend some time as…

25 years ago I asked Gene Spafford why the advanced degree program was being run out of the philosophy department instead of the computer science department, and he replied that it made no sense to be part of the CS department.

That's not to say that a CS graduate is or isn't the ideal candidate for the program (I think he felt that they were). But securing systems and organizations is primarily not a technical problem. You should understand that and understand the reasons why.

Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

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Post by ROTMetro »

lupire wrote: post #221
ROTMetro wrote: post #129

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My kids school called us in for a meeting. My son froze up on tests. They had a standardized test coming up, and they wanted to label my son as illiterate so that he could have someone with him while he took the test, they thought that would help him do better. To be clear my son could read just fine and he just froze up on tests. Both of my children were placed in private school that week. The sad thing is we were t…

The private school never had a test?

The private schools priority was education. They had the normal tests on the subject matter taught, and may have been required to do the federal government standardized tests used to judge schools, but they did not focus on those tests results. They focused on education, not federal/state government standardized tests.

Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

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Post by twodave »

cainxinth wrote: post #269
twodave wrote: post #246

On the one hand I get where Equifax is coming from. I’ve had coworkers before with multiple full-time jobs and only a very few can pull it off without it seriously impacting their expected productivity. The answer to this in that specific case is firing I think because it’s just dishonest. Not only are you not putting in the time, you’re also not making an equivalent business impact. The general answer is that people…

The level of wrong we can ascribe to holding two jobs when you’re not allowed to is minute and individual. A giant, rent-seeking POS like EFX (who already has proven itself negligent in handling sensitive data) exploiting their data for purposes it’s not intended for is much more alarming and far reaching.

I think we can agree on Equifax being a giant, rent-seeking POS--that's the whole point of their business, right? But I think if a more reputable company were doing this we wouldn't be so outraged about it. I'm all for taking a free opportunity to bash a bad actor like Equifax (that's the price of a poor reputation, after all), but I don't think I actually disagree with their reaction to the findings here.

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Post by 988747 »

Nullabillity wrote: post #256
988747 wrote: post #241

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Well, as a contractor I pay one third of the taxes I would pay as an employee, so much less waste.

You're still an employee, the only difference is whether you're "employed" by yourself or your.. actual employer.

Even if that was true... why should I care?

Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

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Post by pb7 »

prvit wrote: post #346
pb7 wrote: post #333

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>For example, the data leaked from Uber in the recent breach is way more impactful than anything which ever leaked from Equifax. What could be more impactful than the social security numbers, personal information, and financial records of every adult in the US? >But hey, maybe that's just because nobody noticed that Latha Maripuri is also a woman. Yes, that should tell you that gender has nothing to do with it which…

>What could be more impactful than the social security numbers, personal information, and financial records of every adult in the US? You could already buy just about any adults SSN for a dollar from various breach aggregators well before the equifax leak, so literally nothing changed in that regard. Personal information? What? Names, addresses, dates of birth? The above still applies. Uber holds very detailed locati…

>You could already buy just about any adults SSN for a dollar from various breach aggregators well before the equifax leak, so literally nothing changed in that regard.

Not only is this entirely speculative and needs a citation, just because others have experienced breaches doesn't mean you get to publicize private information, that once again, people did not consent to because they're not users or customers of Equifax.

>You don't know and the possible actual culprits did not tell you otherwise, so the responsibility lies with her?

Yes, that is the role of a Chief Information Security Officer. Here is a brief description for your reference:

>The CISO (chief information security officer) is a senior-level executive responsible for developing and implementing an information security program, which includes procedures and policies designed to protect enterprise communications, systems and assets from both internal and external threats.

Unless other information comes out to suggest otherwise, yes, it is very fair to assume the responsibility lies with her.

Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

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Post by prvit »

thwayunion wrote: post #329
prvit wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're specifically talking about a field where even a decade ago "proper education" was only offered by a couple of schools in the world. Compsci is not an infosec-related degree.

> Compsci is not an infosec-related degree. The vast majority of the people who invented, built, and maintain all the systems infosec people are deploying had CS or CE degrees. A good CS degree provides an excellent foundation for infosec careers. In fact, at many institutions, the infosec major is very similar to the CS major. It's not everything you need, which is why a CISO should minimally also spend some time as…

>In fact, at many institutions, the infosec major is very similar to the CS major.

Sure, but the best security programs don't even exist in the same department as CS.

At CMU Information Security is run by the College of Engineering, not by the CS department.

At NYU Cybersecurity is run by Tandon school of Engineering, not by the CS department.

At RIT Computing Security is run by ... the Department of Computing Security.

At JHU Cybersecurity is run by Whiting School of Engineering, not by the CS department.

This is because computer science and computer security are two entirely different disciplines.

Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

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Post by eutropia »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #336
CabSauce wrote: post #293

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Shockingly, this contains your salary information. Which is pretty dangerous for salary negotiation.

Why? you either have a BATNA or you don't.

Either you have a winning poker hand or you don't - oh wait: bluffing is a thing that people sometimes have to do - even in salary negotiations.
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