Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

businessinsider.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

341–350 of 408 posts

Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

#341

Post by matheusmoreira »

can16358p wrote: post #190

I think there should be a law preventing companies from restricting their employees from having second jobs. As long as it doesn't affect their performance in their primary job and as they are not working at a direct competitor, it should be none of their stupid business (and should be illegal) to check for an employee's other jobs.

Go further than that. The law should be about personal information. It really isn't anyone's business how much we make or who we're working for or with. Laws should be all about destroying this surveillance capitalism in general instead of pontual remedies like stopping some especific practice.

The law should make this data a liability. Companies like Equifax should not even want to have access to this data. It should cost them money every day to know this information. They should be trying to forget everything they know about us, not amassing even more data.

Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

#342

Post by vinceguidry »

pc86 wrote: post #268
gnopgnip wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are in CA you have a "right to moonlight" provided there is no conflict of interest. In probably 47 other states you could be fired for your activity outside of work even without a conflict of interest.

You can still be fired "for no reason" in CA at any time. It's still at-will employment.

The State of California prohibits firing for certain causes and if you are fired for those reasons you can file a complaint with the Labor Commissioner and they're authorized to collect lost wages from your former employer on your behalf.

Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

#343

Post by kyleyeats »

mellavora wrote: post #160
kyleyeats wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Homeschooling is like a second job, though. One where you can't bullshit and lie your way through it.

and where you don't get paid and which doesn't give you any credit on your CV when you go to look for your next job and where you don't get any social security benefits.

I don't think the OE crowd is loading up their CVs with these concurrent jobs. And kids are the original social security.

Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

#344

Post by kyleyeats »

lupire wrote: post #229
kyleyeats wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Homeschooling is like a second job, though. One where you can't bullshit and lie your way through it.

If you can snag a WFH job, you can homeschool after grade 5 pretty easily. School is half daycare and a lot of students doing work, and half foller topics you don't need to study.

This is the way to do it IMO. I've worked with people with kids and OE people. The people with kids aren't double-dipping dragasses.

Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

#345

Post by matheusmoreira »

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #99

Unpopular opinion: I’m okay with this. I feel angry at those who lack integrity and work two full-time, salaried jobs. At a previous job where we were all 100% remote, we dealt with an employee who did this. We caught him because his work quality was poor and he was unavailable for days at a time on Slack. It took a lot of time to investigate and justify the firing. After being fired, he laughed with folks about how…

> We caught him because his work quality was poor and he was unavailable for days at a time on Slack.

> It took a lot of time to investigate and justify the firing.

So you already knew the work was of poor quality. That's enough reason to let them go. Why do you need to investigate and justify it any further? You don't need to invade their privacy.

> I feel angry at those who lack integrity

I feel angry about a lot of stuff but employees exploiting corporations isn't one of them. I wouldn't do it myself because that's not how my father raised me to behave. I just don't really feel anything when others do it.

Do you think these companies have integrity, loyalty? They have an generally terrible reputation due to their long history of having neither. Do you seriously believe they're a victim here? I mean, we're in a thread discussing the overreach of surveillance capitalism that enables collusion to reduce wages. All this integrity talk is ridiculous in that light.

The fact is that employee just didn't work out for the company. A false positive in the interview process. That's always a risk when you work with other human beings. He didn't "steal" from the company.

Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

#346

Post by prvit »

pb7 wrote: post #333
prvit wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They certainly would if a company led by this man lost the records of 150M people that did not consent to their data being collected. I haven't heard anyone saying that about Metas CISO, or Twitters CISO, or Ubers CISO. For example, the data leaked from Uber in the recent breach is way more impactful than anything which ever leaked from Equifax. But hey, maybe that's just because nobody noticed that Latha Maripuri i…

>For example, the data leaked from Uber in the recent breach is way more impactful than anything which ever leaked from Equifax. What could be more impactful than the social security numbers, personal information, and financial records of every adult in the US? >But hey, maybe that's just because nobody noticed that Latha Maripuri is also a woman. Yes, that should tell you that gender has nothing to do with it which…

>What could be more impactful than the social security numbers, personal information, and financial records of every adult in the US?

You could already buy just about any adults SSN for a dollar from various breach aggregators well before the equifax leak, so literally nothing changed in that regard.

Personal information? What? Names, addresses, dates of birth? The above still applies.

Uber holds very detailed location data, travel histories. Far more revealing than what might have come

>Yes, that should tell you that gender has nothing to do with it which you are vehemently trying to make this about.

I'm not sure you can seriously read anything into that, it's essentially random whether or not these things get picked up.

Or why do you think that Susan Mauldin is widely ridiculed but Latha Maripuri is not? Both have very similar resumes, no formal qualifications and presided over massive breaches.

>I don't know that, that's why the company should have been liquidated as compensation, or at the very least it should have been taken to court where she can testify to what she tried to do and what she was blocked from doing. Otherwise, the responsibility lies with her -- that is literally her job description.

This doesn't make any sense. You don't know and the possible actual culprits did not tell you otherwise, so the responsibility lies with her?

Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

#347

Post by TallGuyShort »

raydiatian wrote: post #138
aliqot wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I once missed a $10 payment on my credit card and lost 100 points on my credit score. I swear on my life. Is it an option to not use CC in your life? I don't but I understand people in the city may have a different experience.

> Is it an option not to use CC in your life? Honestly the CC isn’t the problem, it’s mobile phone notification culture. One billion meaningless daily notifications, I just shut everything off. I had used a backwater credit card that I never touch to pay for parking and suddenly CC company was livid that I was delinquent. I rack up over $100 in late fees and lost 100 pts off my cred score. To resolve the issue I had…

I don't think it's fair to call this victim blaming. You did indeed borrow money and fail to pay it back on time. That's exactly what the concept of a credit score is for.

We all make mistakes, but your score represents the balance of your track record. Is life complicated? Do you innocently forget to make a payment, and then pay back the fees? Do you miss notifications because your spam filter was overly aggressive? I understand all those things. But if that happens a lot maybe credit cards aren't usually the right tool for you. And if you insist otherwise but fail to make payments on time anyway and call yourself a victim of that system, that's exactly the kind of thing I want to know as a potential creditor.

That's different from credit reporting agencies losing your data through negligence, lacking transparency in the algorithm changes that affect people, doing unethical things with the data like was reported yesterday. Let's be clear that none of those things is what happened to you.

Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

#348

Post by pc86 »

vinceguidry wrote: post #342
pc86 wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can still be fired "for no reason" in CA at any time. It's still at-will employment.

The State of California prohibits firing for certain causes and if you are fired for those reasons you can file a complaint with the Labor Commissioner and they're authorized to collect lost wages from your former employer on your behalf.

Which, while probably true, is unrelated to what I said.

Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

#349

Post by ummonk »

mellavora wrote: post #158
ummonk wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a spouse? You might be worried about public school quality, but at some point it would be cheaper to just have the spouse stay at home and home school.

Except the stay at home spouse doesn't get any pension/social security benefits from this, plus it tanks their career with massive impact on future earnings.

They get 50% of their spouse's benefits at that age.

Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

#350

Post by ummonk »

PedroCandeias wrote: post #238
mixmastamyk wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SS is split with a partner.

That makes the spouse financially dependent on the partner for life, which can be a bad situation.

Nope. You get the same social security benefits (50% of what the earning spouse would get at your age) after divorce if you were married for at least 10 years.
Post reply on HN