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Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

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Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

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Technically yes, but depending on your location your public school system may be chronically under-funded, to the point where sending your kid to a public school would put them at a big disadvantage in high school or college (and so then for the rest of their life). Yes, you could move, but as it turns out properties are more expensive in good school districts.

I'm a product of one of the shittiest public schools in my state. While I attended, they were forced by the state to convert to an "international baccalaureate" school because the alternative was closing. I say that because yet, among my peers from that school, I count engineers, astrophysicists, doctors, IT workers, psychologists, pilots, and more. So I would vigorously argue against the idea that students who atten…

One simple (and perhaps actionable) way to express this idea.

Say you're two parents who are very conscientious about wanting your child to have "good outcomes" in life (i.e. have a good schooling experience, go to a good college, have a good job).

It is better, for your kids, for the family to live in an environment in which you (the parents!) are living comfortably and with minimal stress, than it is to attend a top 50 high school, (assuming that means trading off against comfort & stress).

By comfort/stress, I mean to say: money isn't a weekly, monthly, or even quarterly issue, jobs are low-stress, and you have a lot of spare energy/time to invest in your kids after school, on the weekends, and in the summer/holidays.

There are plenty of schools in the top 500 or top 1000 in the US that are in geographies check these box for you, your spouse, and your family, that don't cost $1000/month/child.

You might not be min-maxing your retirement accounts by taking jobs that allow you to work in-person/remotely there, but the compounding dividends paid by investing in your family and community carries much more value.

Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

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"Equifax flagged 283 contractors for potential 'dual employment,' documents show." Would this not be a big flag to reclassify these contractors as employees? Being able to have multiple clients is one of the factors to determine if you're a contractor...

In my country (Brazil) if the company shows any care about people working on two jobs, it's enough evidence to determine they are employees.

(Famously, this made Uber grant some rights to their drivers here.)

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They certainly would if a company led by this man lost the records of 150M people that did not consent to their data being collected. She was incompetent and should be in jail.

>They certainly would if a company led by this man lost the records of 150M people that did not consent to their data being collected. I haven't heard anyone saying that about Metas CISO, or Twitters CISO, or Ubers CISO. For example, the data leaked from Uber in the recent breach is way more impactful than anything which ever leaked from Equifax. But hey, maybe that's just because nobody noticed that Latha Maripuri i…

>For example, the data leaked from Uber in the recent breach is way more impactful than anything which ever leaked from Equifax.

What could be more impactful than the social security numbers, personal information, and financial records of every adult in the US?

>But hey, maybe that's just because nobody noticed that Latha Maripuri is also a woman.

Yes, that should tell you that gender has nothing to do with it which you are vehemently trying to make this about.

>How would you know it wasn't her superiors constantly blocking her from doing her job properly?

I don't know that, that's why the company should have been liquidated as compensation, or at the very least it should have been taken to court where she can testify to what she tried to do and what she was blocked from doing. Otherwise, the responsibility lies with her -- that is literally her job description.

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It is literally true that she had no relevant formal training. It is also true AFAIK that when she got her first role as an executive in charge of security, she had no formal training or IC experience in security. All of her "security" experience was in executive roles. Which is insane. That never happens with other types of technical leadership roles (legal, law, finance, accounting, engineering, etc.).

>It is literally true that she had no relevant formal training. Yes, but that's also true of almost all BigCo CISOs. >It is also true AFAIK that when she got her first role as an executive in charge of security By "AFAIK" you mean that this is just what you assume without checking, right?

> Yes, but that's also true of almost all BigCo CISOs.

Yes, we've been over this. The article is about Equifax. I made a comment about Equifax. I've previously criticized other execs after data breaches or other major technical failures (Eg Boeing).

> By "AFAIK" you mean that this is just what you assume without checking, right?

No, it means I did check and she does not according to any publicly available evidence. I added the AFAIK because I cannot personally certify that her publicly available resumes are complete.

It would be extremely odd to exclude relevant work experience from public profiles, so I strongly believe that she does not have relevant experience outside of exec positions (which she shouldn't have had in the first place without IC experience and/or relevant education). But I do not personally know her so I cannot personally attest that her public resumes are complete. Therefore, I added a qualifier.

I can understand why this wording confuses you, though. It's a result of the fact that I have personal integrity and take words and accusations seriously.

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Or maybe get vouchers or tax refund for that dumpster fire.

I think that's defeats the purpose of public school. As a society, we decided we need to collectively contribute to every child's education, regardless if they are own. I have no kids, but I pay my school taxes so that other people's children can have an education.

How is a voucher not collectively contributing to every child's education?

Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

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Semi-related, but Equifax runs The Work Number, which is basically your "employment credit report / record"; they hoover up the data by agreements with employers that they will share employment info with them. You can freeze your employment record with them here: https://employees.theworknumber.com/employee-data-freeze/ I highly recommend you do this, as any employer could just decide to look you up using this info a…

Shockingly, this contains your salary information. Which is pretty dangerous for salary negotiation.

Why? you either have a BATNA or you don't.

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How many of these people can there possibly be? Are there really that many jobs with such low visibility, low expectations that someone can get away with Just Not Working for more than a few days before it’s obvious?

There's a subreddit devoted to the topic of working multiple jobs: https://www.reddit.com/r/overemployed/ . It has 101k members.

For software development, I feel like being "overemployed" would be relatively easy as a mid-level or senior developer. Job #1 is your 'mainstay' job with decent pay/benefits (but requires more concentration), Job #2 would be the 'side' job that you could fulfill your responsibilities with minimal effort.

A full-stack dev with 7ish years of experience could easily create/maintain CRUD apps for a smaller company with minimal effort while focusing the rest of his efforts on a more challenging role at a larger company.

Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

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Semi-related, but Equifax runs The Work Number, which is basically your "employment credit report / record"; they hoover up the data by agreements with employers that they will share employment info with them. You can freeze your employment record with them here: https://employees.theworknumber.com/employee-data-freeze/ I highly recommend you do this, as any employer could just decide to look you up using this info a…

Do the other credit agencies have a similar program?

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How many of these people can there possibly be? Are there really that many jobs with such low visibility, low expectations that someone can get away with Just Not Working for more than a few days before it’s obvious?

There's a subreddit devoted to the topic of working multiple jobs: https://www.reddit.com/r/overemployed/ . It has 101k members.

I’m aware. I just also happen to believe that a great majority of Reddit is cosplay and exaggeration.

Re: Equifax used records it collects from companies to fire employees with 2nd jobs

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>It is literally true that she had no relevant formal training. Yes, but that's also true of almost all BigCo CISOs. >It is also true AFAIK that when she got her first role as an executive in charge of security By "AFAIK" you mean that this is just what you assume without checking, right?

> Yes, but that's also true of almost all BigCo CISOs. Yes, we've been over this. The article is about Equifax. I made a comment about Equifax. I've previously criticized other execs after data breaches or other major technical failures (Eg Boeing). > By "AFAIK" you mean that this is just what you assume without checking, right? No, it means I did check and she does not according to any publicly available evidence. I…

I'd like to add a piece to this as well.

People who wield power over IC's but themselves have never been an IC are more willing to make decisions that harm others, but not themselves.

And this is the crux of the issue with the security industry. Too many of their decisions are made in a vacuum and everyone else has to deal with it.

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