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Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Isn't this what people want through the world? Control and ban fake news. Defined as what those currently in power think. Also, only three years? Isn't that very soft thinking how destructive fake news can be?

Do you truly, genuinely think that is what people want, or are you constructing a straw man to beat up? Do you care to make a point, or are you just asking leading questions that create the illusion that you're making a point?

>Do you truly, genuinely think that is what people want

Many do want something like this--as long as someone with their viewpoint is the one deciding what is true or false.

>asking leading questions that create the illusion that you're making a point?

It's called a rhetorical question.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Hold on.. not false statements, not defamation, not calls for violence… but “disinformation.” Except that we find out that many things were disinformation every day. My family is increasingly paranoid after the Pfizer executive said they never tested whether their vaccine prevented transmission to the EU a few days ago. Apparently that is not new information technically speaking, but it is so counter-narrative it bog…

"My family is increasingly paranoid after the Pfizer executive said they never tested whether their vaccine prevented transmission" Can you explain? I have no idea why this is something you or your family would be paranoid about.

It’s more about how it is extremely counternarrative to how it was marketed and sold.

If you had told someone, who had gotten the vaccine, that Pfizer did not know whether you could still pass the virus on to your unvaccinated grandmother, you would have been laughed at. But here we are.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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post #14

Isn't this what people want through the world? Control and ban fake news. Defined as what those currently in power think. Also, only three years? Isn't that very soft thinking how destructive fake news can be?

From the actions of Twitter, FB, TT, YT, etc., yes, it seems that this is what people want, with the proviso that _they_ are the ones that set the rules for what is allowable and what is censorable.

To this day, if you have an opinion that is against mainstream regarding Covid, you risk getting banned. So health and political themes are moderately moderated for deviance. And by moderately I mean lots gets through just because their tools are imperfect not because that's what they want.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>what the hell was “protect Grandma” then? A hopeful wish? It was an accurate assessment of the benefits of the vaccine, which prevents the worst effects and dramatically reduces the risk of death from infection. The vaccine was never intended to prevent initial infection, so they had no reason to delay it's introduction testing for that. My wife's parents are in their late 70s with many health problems and got Pfize…

I agree with you but that’s not what I was referring to. I was referring to pressure on young people to get the vaccine to avoid harming the elderly. If we never tested transmission… what was that about? Why not just let the elderly get it and the young risk it if they wanted? What was behind “by getting the vaccine you are protecting others” when all we actually know is that it protects yourself? There’s probably a…

The expectation was that because they knew the vaccines reduce the chances of getting symptoms such as coughs associated with transmission, reduced the time people were sick for, and also reduce the viral load in people who got sick, that this would result in a reduced chance that people who caught the virus but were vaccinated would transmit the virus. It was an expectation, yes, not a proven fact but they thought it was worth working on that assumption due to the hoped for benefits. It turns out now, after extensive research on transmission by vaccinated people, that they were correct and vaccination does significantly slow transmission through populations even for the more recent highly infectious variants.

>I’m increasingly understanding why some folks are “paranoid.”

I really don't, all of this information has been available all the way through. That Pfizer executive was simply being honest, what the vaccines do and how they work and the benefits they offer has been accurately communicated right back from the trials phases. I know this because all through those times I kept myself well informed and followed the literature. It helps that my wife is a Nurse, and also that I'm in the UK where the whole issue was far, far less politicised and the accuracy and consistency of information from the media was actually pretty good.

The problem is there was an awful lot of disinformation going around in the US from people either getting partial information and making wild unfounded assumptions, or deliberately fomenting opposition to various policies on political grounds. Nevertheless as I said in my previous post, we're all adults. It's our responsibility to inform ourselves, we can't blame disinformation, some of which is genuinely simply mistaken.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean look at the twin fiascos of covid and Trump. People are all in favour of censorship when it suits them.

Letting your democracy and a large number of lives be taken away by easily disprovable lies isn't great either. I can't see a good way out of this; the libel suit against Alex Jones is just a tiny start at unwinding the problem. It's much more profitable, easier, and an effective route to power to lie.

Banning political dissent to save democracy is "destroy[ing] the village in order to save it."

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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I see a lot of people critical of Turkey... and I agree. But the US is not too far away. See AB-2098 in California just signed by governor / likely presidential nominee Gavin Newson [1] which basically gives the state the ability to revoke medical licenses for spreading "false information that is contradicted by contemporary scientific contrary to the standard of care" (in other words, go against the CDC or other state-funded agencies, get punished by the state).

[1] https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtm...

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you truly, genuinely think that is what people want, or are you constructing a straw man to beat up? Do you care to make a point, or are you just asking leading questions that create the illusion that you're making a point?

> Do you truly, genuinely think that is what people want I can't honestly believe you don't think there are a lot of people who want that. They've been very up front about it.

Who exactly? The most common argument is that platforms should have the right to refuse service to users, not that those users should be jailed.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>what the hell was “protect Grandma” then? A hopeful wish? It was an accurate assessment of the benefits of the vaccine, which prevents the worst effects and dramatically reduces the risk of death from infection. The vaccine was never intended to prevent initial infection, so they had no reason to delay it's introduction testing for that. My wife's parents are in their late 70s with many health problems and got Pfize…

I agree with you but that’s not what I was referring to. I was referring to pressure on young people to get the vaccine to avoid harming the elderly. If we never tested transmission… what was that about? Why not just let the elderly get it and the young risk it if they wanted? What was behind “by getting the vaccine you are protecting others” when all we actually know is that it protects yourself? There’s probably a…

Might you be conflating “get vaccinated” with “wear masks”?
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