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Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Post by nashashmi »

DFHippie wrote: post #11
nashashmi wrote: post #2

If countries and companies are not going to have anti disinformation protocols, they might as well outright implement dictatorship. Deterrence is a good thing.

The problem is that if you already have a dictatorship, or something approaching it, "disinformation" means, in the eyes of the law as it is applied, information counter to the ruling party's interest. I agree that disinformation, real disinformation, is being used as a tool to spread authoritarianism and we need better means to combat it. This law, I am afraid, is double speak. It purports to oppose disinformation b…

Everything is in the eyes of the law. Porn is in the eyes of the law too. As is violent speech and terrorism.

We steer clear of laws that are dubious and ambiguous because they can be leveraged whimsically or loopholed.

But ignoring threats to full democracy (disinformation) is just as dangerous, if not more dangerous.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Post by FridayoLeary »

Ekaros wrote: post #14

Isn't this what people want through the world? Control and ban fake news. Defined as what those currently in power think. Also, only three years? Isn't that very soft thinking how destructive fake news can be?

I mean look at the twin fiascos of covid and Trump. People are all in favour of censorship when it suits them.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Post by nashashmi »

Philorandroid wrote: post #5
nashashmi wrote: post #2

If countries and companies are not going to have anti disinformation protocols, they might as well outright implement dictatorship. Deterrence is a good thing.

That sounds exceptionally beneficial to whoever gets to define what is and isn't "misinformation," and you're kidding yourself if you think that it'll only ever be used in benevolence and not to the benefit of whatever picotyrant is in charge at a given moment.

Bad laws are beneficial to anyone who can use them well enough for their advantage. That is why we try to come up with good laws.

But having no laws are worse.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Post by [deleted] »

Ekaros wrote: post #17
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #4

Hold on.. not false statements, not defamation, not calls for violence… but “disinformation.” Except that we find out that many things were disinformation every day. My family is increasingly paranoid after the Pfizer executive said they never tested whether their vaccine prevented transmission to the EU a few days ago. Apparently that is not new information technically speaking, but it is so counter-narrative it bog…

I hope we will jail and permanently ban anyone who spread these lies about vaccines from social media and any public office. It is least we can do to fight against their crimes and the evil they did. As society we can't let these monsters go without consequences.

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Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Post by standardUser »

Ekaros wrote: post #14

Isn't this what people want through the world? Control and ban fake news. Defined as what those currently in power think. Also, only three years? Isn't that very soft thinking how destructive fake news can be?

Do you truly, genuinely think that is what people want, or are you constructing a straw man to beat up? Do you care to make a point, or are you just asking leading questions that create the illusion that you're making a point?

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Post by pjc50 »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #22
Ekaros wrote: post #14

Isn't this what people want through the world? Control and ban fake news. Defined as what those currently in power think. Also, only three years? Isn't that very soft thinking how destructive fake news can be?

I mean look at the twin fiascos of covid and Trump. People are all in favour of censorship when it suits them.

Letting your democracy and a large number of lives be taken away by easily disprovable lies isn't great either. I can't see a good way out of this; the libel suit against Alex Jones is just a tiny start at unwinding the problem. It's much more profitable, easier, and an effective route to power to lie.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Post by standardUser »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #4

Hold on.. not false statements, not defamation, not calls for violence… but “disinformation.” Except that we find out that many things were disinformation every day. My family is increasingly paranoid after the Pfizer executive said they never tested whether their vaccine prevented transmission to the EU a few days ago. Apparently that is not new information technically speaking, but it is so counter-narrative it bog…

"My family is increasingly paranoid after the Pfizer executive said they never tested whether their vaccine prevented transmission"

Can you explain? I have no idea why this is something you or your family would be paranoid about.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Post by Ekaros »

standardUser wrote: post #25
Ekaros wrote: post #14

Isn't this what people want through the world? Control and ban fake news. Defined as what those currently in power think. Also, only three years? Isn't that very soft thinking how destructive fake news can be?

Do you truly, genuinely think that is what people want, or are you constructing a straw man to beat up? Do you care to make a point, or are you just asking leading questions that create the illusion that you're making a point?

They are not on barricades when anyone is kicked out from social media platforms. As thus I'm fully sure that they support all types of censorship or at least those types advancing their own agendas.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Post by commandlinefan »

standardUser wrote: post #25
Ekaros wrote: post #14

Isn't this what people want through the world? Control and ban fake news. Defined as what those currently in power think. Also, only three years? Isn't that very soft thinking how destructive fake news can be?

Do you truly, genuinely think that is what people want, or are you constructing a straw man to beat up? Do you care to make a point, or are you just asking leading questions that create the illusion that you're making a point?

> Do you truly, genuinely think that is what people want

I can't honestly believe you don't think there are a lot of people who want that. They've been very up front about it.

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