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87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by sangnoir »

GeekyBear wrote: post #548
sangnoir wrote: post #545

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How is a Microsoft-authored app connecting to Google's YT servers comparable to an Apple-authored app connecting to Apple iMessage servers?

How does Google have the nerve to whine about iMessage after they used Youtube as a weapon to kill Windows Phone?

Nothing to do with nerve, and everything to do with self interest.

Do you think Google (or any organization) is capable of shame? I could extend your question to "How could Microsoft whine about Google shutting down its Youtube API access, while Microsoft was shaking down Android OEMs with secret patents and forciing them to make Windows phones as part of the (secret) settlement?" or "How can Apple ramp up its ad products when it rails against Google/Facebook ads?". The answer to all of those questions is self-interest.

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Post by conductr »

bell-cot wrote: post #477
est31 wrote: post #296

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There is nobody preventing Apple from developing an Android app for iMessage. They already have a bunch of apps on the play store, including one for Apple TV, Beats, and a migration app for iOS. https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Apple

Nobody really preventing GM from developing OnStar systems for Ford, Toyota, VW, etc. cars, either.

My power tools have proprietary battery's too. I buy the same brand over and over because of owning batteries already. This type of stuff is just business 101 and it’s not exactly meant to be in anyone but the company’s best interest. It can be seen in almost all industries.

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Post by conductr »

Jtsummers wrote: post #535
conductr wrote: post #513

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I and most adults I know have never used those apps. We’re also on our ~15th iphone

You've never used email?

Not with my friends. It’s also a protocol which can be used on pretty much all devices with your pick of clients so was a bad example in the list.

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Post by sho_hn »

nomel wrote: post #494
sho_hn wrote: post #135

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There's a fair number of posts in the thread now pointing out that iPhones are not-that-expensive, and all of them drive up my own engagement with the plight of the people who can't afford one. If you're, say, in a 5% bracket of society who can't afford one, it's all the more awful and potentially debilitating to have a marker on you that flags you as part of the 5%, no? And at $430 it's still a lot more than 5% in t…

If you think a green bubble is the only thing that will mark you for that 5%, that people will judge, you've never been, or known anyone, that was poor.

I neither think so nor said I do - it just happens to be the one we're discussing here, distinctly from the many others.

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Post by fyvhbhn »

jmole wrote: post #117
JPKab wrote: post #39

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It's a good opportunity to teach your kids about how crappy and shallow other kids can be, and also teach them how to respond to criticism like this. 20 years ago, you'd get shit for not wearing the cool kind of shoes your peers had.

This is not about brand, this is more like "you can't participate as an equal in this virtual communal space". Having a single android user in a group chat means the whole group chat is essentially crippled. The kids are not being shallow here, Apple is being anticompetitive.

Actually, it just means that the app you are using sucks

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Post by est31 »

GeekyBear wrote: post #511
est31 wrote: post #296

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There is nobody preventing Apple from developing an Android app for iMessage. They already have a bunch of apps on the play store, including one for Apple TV, Beats, and a migration app for iOS. https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Apple

Nobody prevented Microsoft from creating a Youtube app for Windows Phone. Oh, wait. Google prevented Microsoft from creating a Youtube app for Windows Phone.

I don't think Google would prevent Apple from publishing an app on the play store. There are already many messengers on it.

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Post by ghaff »

josephcsible wrote: post #549
GeekyBear wrote: post #544

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> At what time has data ever been cheaper than SMS? Phone plans used to come with a limited number of SMS messages per month (or even none), and the rates per SMS if you went over the limit were beyond extortionate. >Since BlackBerry messages are sent as data, users do not incur individual charges for each message as they would through regular SMS texting. While phone companies have introduced bulk texting plans, man…

> Phone plans used to come with a limited number of SMS messages per month (or even none), and the rates per SMS if you went over the limit were beyond extortionate. But wasn't cellular data priced similarly extortionately back then?

>But wasn't cellular data priced similarly extortionately back then?

I guess it depends on your terms. I had--I think--a 2GB per month data plan (which was actually fairly reasonable for mobile at the time) and later went to "unlimited" but I was still paying something like 10 cents per text for a time. I didn't text a lot so I just paid a la carte until I changed plans.

Communications charges have changed a lot over time. I remember when long distance calls were something like $1/minute.

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Post by GeekyBear »

ghaff wrote: post #567
josephcsible wrote: post #549

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> Phone plans used to come with a limited number of SMS messages per month (or even none), and the rates per SMS if you went over the limit were beyond extortionate. But wasn't cellular data priced similarly extortionately back then?

>But wasn't cellular data priced similarly extortionately back then? I guess it depends on your terms. I had--I think--a 2GB per month data plan (which was actually fairly reasonable for mobile at the time) and later went to "unlimited" but I was still paying something like 10 cents per text for a time. I didn't text a lot so I just paid a la carte until I changed plans. Communications charges have changed a lot over…

> Communications charges have changed a lot over time. I remember when long distance calls were something like $1/minute.

I can remember Verizon being sued because they forced handset manufacturers to disable Bluetooth for file transfers, because Verizon used to charge you money every time you transferred photos to or from your phone.

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Post by fyvhbhn »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #240
rsync wrote: post #2

My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .

I know the "green vs blue bubbles" gets a lot of press, but as someone who is not a teenager, and on the contrary is considerably past middle age at this point, that is not the real reason iMessage has a stranglehold on users. I've got an Android, and I recently went on a vacation with a group of friends who all had iPhones. I did feel a bit like a leper in the group chat we had set up for our vacation, and it wasn't…

Seriously, do you not know any other app than "Messaging" and "iMessage"?

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Post by camhart »

gleenn wrote: post #223
camhart wrote: post #178

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Only reason its not encrypted is because Apple won't allow it to be.

Citation needed. Is this really true? I keep hearing about RCS etc but I also keep hearing it's not actually a good standard. Not even sure it does encryption frankly.

> https://www.android.com/get-the-message/

RCS is supported by most carriers, and over 500 device manufacturers. But not Apple.

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