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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by GekkePrutser »

ghaff wrote: post #305
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #240

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I know the "green vs blue bubbles" gets a lot of press, but as someone who is not a teenager, and on the contrary is considerably past middle age at this point, that is not the real reason iMessage has a stranglehold on users. I've got an Android, and I recently went on a vacation with a group of friends who all had iPhones. I did feel a bit like a leper in the group chat we had set up for our vacation, and it wasn't…

I guess I'm old in that I basically never use emoji unless the platform changes something like :-) to one. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

SMS has supported Unicode since the very early 2000s. I remember getting SMS messages in Thai on my Nokia 7110 GSM when I was in Thailand in 2003. So there's no technical reason why iMessage fallback to SMS doesn't support emoji.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by mixmastamyk »

vlan0 wrote: post #249
tomtheelder wrote: post #119

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I switched recently due to divorcing myself from Google services and products. Overall I've found the iPhone experience to be basically the same, but with a much worse notifications system.

And with a much better regard for security! For instance, you could still own an iPhone 5s, released in 2013, and receive security updates.

< 7 is now unsupported for the latest OS. Maybe will get one more bugfix.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by meragrin_ »

CogitoCogito wrote: post #174
threatofrain wrote: post #115

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What is the difference to Nike providing kids with flashy shoes when the sole purpose is class and coolness? According to the same report, Nike is the most preferred fashion brand among teens. At least with Apple's message indication you know you're getting encryption and thus privacy from carriers. Would it be less problematic if Apple simply mentioned "warning: this is unencrypted SMS"?

Apple is free to open the iMessage ecosystem if they'd like to allow Android to send encrypted messages to iPhones as well. The truth is that Apple isn't doing this to help customers identify unencrypted messages. They are doing this for the network effect.

The EU's Digital Markets Act might force that.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by XorNot »

CharlesW wrote: post #510
XorNot wrote: post #436

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Why is the answer not to force interoperability? This is exactly what we should be doing because it's generally good for the communications ecosystem and the overall marketplace. It's not an answer to the problem of teenagers having to learn decency, but I'm failing to see a downside to taking Apple to task on this.

> Why is the answer not to force interoperability? Do you want the U.S. government to just strong-arm a private company into adopting a not-very-popular plaintext messaging standard, or do you want them to force the licensing of Google's proprietary extensions that support encryption for 1-to-1 messages as well? (Even with proprietary extensions, group messages are always plaintext.)

The US Government can declare that the companies involved must come up with a way to provide equivalent functionality when interoperating between platforms, and then the companies can figure out how best they want to do that.

Then every day that's not the case after a grace period, or without convincing evidence they're working on it, they can eat fines or sanction from the FCC.

I don't care how they solve this problem, just that they do and that's what effective regulation is about.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by Jtsummers »

conductr wrote: post #513
alvarezbjm-hn wrote: post #409

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The social rejection is a result of teens being teens, as pointed out. Adults would use another more inclusive tool, like whatsapp, email, discord, rss, etc.

I and most adults I know have never used those apps. We’re also on our ~15th iphone

You've never used email?

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by mr_toad »

beckingz wrote: post #372
rootusrootus wrote: post #323

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> it's criminal that a vast reason they have so much market share is because of imessage and the fact that it's "broken" with SMS to some degree. That's just speculation, though. It's entirely plausible that the fundamental reason they have so much market share is because people agree with you: > I just want a phone that works. I've gone back and forth between Android and iPhone myself, and what draws me back to iPho…

Lower total cost of ownership? For an iPhone? That does not check out unless you're buying the extra fancy android phones.

iPhones last longer. The 8 and the X are 5 years old and still compatible with the latest iOS. You don’t get that lifespan on Android.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by icedchai »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #531
ghaff wrote: post #305

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I guess I'm old in that I basically never use emoji unless the platform changes something like :-) to one. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

SMS has supported Unicode since the very early 2000s. I remember getting SMS messages in Thai on my Nokia 7110 GSM when I was in Thailand in 2003. So there's no technical reason why iMessage fallback to SMS doesn't support emoji.

I received an emoji from someone using SMS ("green text") on my iPhone today, so it most certainly does support it.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

jiggawatts wrote: post #424
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #330

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But points being: 1. RCS is now available and a standard. iMessage already "degrades" to sending SMS messages to those not on iMessage. There is no reason they can't better support RCS. 2. While MMS groups were missing a ton of features, there are just things now that are much worse as an Android user interacting with an iMessage group than it was previously in an MMS group. I.e. I never used to have issues with drop…

There's many reasons not to support RCS. It is a bag of standard parts thrown together by a bunch of telecommunications companies in a desperate attempt to hold on to their 50c per message cash cow. If you spend more than a minute actually looking into it, you'll realise that Apple would basically have to run it in a virtual machine for security, and then hand over control to a bunch of telcos that can't even all agr…

> It is a bag of standard parts thrown together by a bunch of telecommunications companies in a desperate attempt to hold on to their 50c per message cash cow.

But in the US (the market being discussed here) basically all US mobile plans include unlimited texting anyway...

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by filoleg »

colinmhayes wrote: post #465
filoleg wrote: post #381

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Yeah, and that's exactly why I've never received spam through iMessage even once over many years (despite being active in a bunch of group chats and 1:1 conversations). All while I receive whatsapp/telegram message spam on a fairly regular basis, despite not being active in any groups or channels on those apps (and in general, opening them maybe once or twice a week at most). The only reason I even use those 2 apps i…

I have the opposite experience for what it's worth.

To make sure I understand it correctly, you actually receive imessage spam, not sms spam? Because regular sms spam (green bubbles) could still arrive.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by fyvhbhn »

CharlesW wrote: post #510
XorNot wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is the answer not to force interoperability? This is exactly what we should be doing because it's generally good for the communications ecosystem and the overall marketplace. It's not an answer to the problem of teenagers having to learn decency, but I'm failing to see a downside to taking Apple to task on this.

> Why is the answer not to force interoperability? Do you want the U.S. government to just strong-arm a private company into adopting a not-very-popular plaintext messaging standard, or do you want them to force the licensing of Google's proprietary extensions that support encryption for 1-to-1 messages as well? (Even with proprietary extensions, group messages are always plaintext.)

Force them to implement Matrix
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