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Protests in Iran: State-run live TV hacked by protesters

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Re: Protests in Iran: State-run live TV hacked by protesters

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Post by pazimzadeh »

darawk wrote: post #58
somenameforme wrote: post #56

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You're absolutely right it's been going on for decades, but I think looking into that history is also telling. In 1953 Iran was a relatively secular and democratic nation that had generally positive, though flagging, relations with the West. Then their leader decided to reduce US/UK control over his country's oil assets. So of course we had to bring democracy to them. But since they already had a democracy, autocracy…

The fact that the US orchestrated a coup in 1953 proves that the US is also orchestrating this coup today? That's the argument?

It obviously means there's reason to be suspicious. It took 60 years for the US to admit its role in the 1953 coup.

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Post by avgcorrection »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #77
avgcorrection wrote: post #41

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Perhaps. But these things are not signs of that since the American government has hated the Iranian government for a long time. It would be much more suspicious if the US govt. started to support the Iranian govt. all of a sudden.

You don't think they'd try to change a government they've hated for a long time? I would also find a sudden 180 on Iran suspicious, but also would not be surprised if any Iranian opposition group had US support.

I would think that they would, yes. And it is a day that ends with “y” so it is as likely that they are doing it now as it was five years ago.

Re: Protests in Iran: State-run live TV hacked by protesters

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Post by jdmonty »

unity1001 wrote: post #72
fritztastic wrote: post #63

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As someone from one of those countries, I'm well aware. I'm not saying the US, and/or proxies of the agendas of the powerful who stand to gain from exploitation and meddling, aren't involved. I would expect they are very much involved, and I would be very skeptical of any claim they aren't. What I'm saying is simply that despite this, people in those places could conceivably be independently fed up- and their dissati…

> How this plays out over time How this plays out over time is either of the two: 1) The protests fail, either due to the momentum fading or the government suppressing 2) The protests succeed, and the country gets a US backed government. Along with all the privatization, removal of labor protections and social welfare, decline in life standards. Unfortunately, there hasnt been any case of the protesters somehow being…

Saudis not always acquiescing to US pleas/demands historically hasn’t ever regime change ops. They have Long history of cooperation likely, arms deals, key to keeping dollar for their market, keep up starving slaughtering Yemen, where as Iran has been one of baddies since 1979

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Post by unity1001 »

jdmonty wrote: post #83
unity1001 wrote: post #72

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> How this plays out over time How this plays out over time is either of the two: 1) The protests fail, either due to the momentum fading or the government suppressing 2) The protests succeed, and the country gets a US backed government. Along with all the privatization, removal of labor protections and social welfare, decline in life standards. Unfortunately, there hasnt been any case of the protesters somehow being…

Saudis not always acquiescing to US pleas/demands historically hasn’t ever regime change ops. They have Long history of cooperation likely, arms deals, key to keeping dollar for their market, keep up starving slaughtering Yemen, where as Iran has been one of baddies since 1979

That was so until the US establishment came up with the idea of breaking up Saudi Arabia recently.

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Post by jdmonty »

anthk wrote: post #78
seer-zig wrote: post #65

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Ah yes, the typical astounding secular definition of freedom, equating it with nakedness and vices. I’ll tell you something, the vast majority of the Saudis are proud of the Hijab and their Islamic faith that promotes purity and decency. We don’t want the western definition of “freedom” thank you very much, we’ve seen where it leads

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I’m not a Muslim but agnostic and agree that “freedom” is poorly defined and subjective like “idea” of America which is empty cipher. Ruling class of US idea of freedom is for citizens to be free to take on debt and live precarious alienated life with not a small portion dying in abject poverty and increasingly alone.

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Post by MickerNews »

bitxbitxbitcoin wrote: post #38
philliphaydon wrote: post #21

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Taiwan is not part of China. There’s nothing for the US to split.

I have never met a single person that isn’t a Chinese propogandaist that actually believes Taiwan is a part of China. It’s such an obvious calling card.

Literally every country in the world, including the USA, believes that Taiwan is a part of China. You're extremely uninformed on this matter.

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Post by pvaldes »

seer-zig wrote: post #65
nayaketo wrote: post #31

Don't know about CIA conspiracies but I'm sure Saudi Arabians will protest Hijab mandates one day. Freedom is amazing and every human craves it at some level.

Ah yes, the typical astounding secular definition of freedom, equating it with nakedness and vices. I’ll tell you something, the vast majority of the Saudis are proud of the Hijab and their Islamic faith that promotes purity and decency. We don’t want the western definition of “freedom” thank you very much, we’ve seen where it leads

It leads to people showing the hair in their heads, that is the normal way in our species. Including the majority of the muslim population and the majority of the human population.

If you think this is the same as being naked in public or that women's hair is impure, well... You live in a very sad place and deserve compassion. It really sucks to be you, but your pain is self-inflicted.

Enjoying the feminine grace and beauty is one of the greatest pleasures of being alive. Imagine yourself sit in a caffee three months from now watching by the first time an endless stream of smiling happy, "naked" women. If this image don't puts a smile in your heart, then something terrible must had happened to you

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Post by anthk »

jdmonty wrote: post #85
anthk wrote: post #78

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I’m not a Muslim but agnostic and agree that “freedom” is poorly defined and subjective like “idea” of America which is empty cipher. Ruling class of US idea of freedom is for citizens to be free to take on debt and live precarious alienated life with not a small portion dying in abject poverty and increasingly alone.

There are far more choices than Theocracies and Plutocracies.

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Post by seer-zig »

msoad wrote: post #75
seer-zig wrote: post #65

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Ah yes, the typical astounding secular definition of freedom, equating it with nakedness and vices. I’ll tell you something, the vast majority of the Saudis are proud of the Hijab and their Islamic faith that promotes purity and decency. We don’t want the western definition of “freedom” thank you very much, we’ve seen where it leads

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