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Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by P5fRxh5kUvp2th »

NoraCodes wrote: post #214
NeverFade wrote: post #127

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I'm sure that will be a great comfort to the Asian kid who was born in poverty, got bullied in school, struggled all his life to achieve the grades and stats to qualify for a top school, then got rejected in favor of a rich black American kid, since he was born with the wrong skin color.

Hmm, this is not a good criticism of affirmative action programs. A child from a rich family, of whatever race, is far more likely to be able to attend the college of their (or their parents') choice, based on a wide array of factors. This is mitigated somewhat by federal and institutional need-based and merit-based aid, but I don't think it's really supportable to say that it's exacerbated by affirmative action. If…

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jun/15/asian-ameri...

https://nypost.com/2022/09/10/affirmative-action-hurts-asian...

How confident you are that you are not the ignorant one.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by petilon »

notart666 wrote: post #246
petilon wrote: post #167

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> It’s been discussed on HN before... Yes, it has been used on HN as a bludgeon but the reality is a little different! Yes, the ancient caste system still exists in India. But today it is only relevant when it comes to politics and marriage. Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/opinion/sunday/caste-is-no...

The fact you believe it to only be relevant in marriage and politics goes to show the naivety of your understanding of how prevalent this 2000+ year caste system is. I'd go as far as calling it the oldest system of systemic slavery in the world. The fact it plays such a level to this day in the modern lives of individuals shows how the Indians have normalized it in their society and often directly bring it into our o…

A lot of false claims in this thread are being made by people who see these immigrants as a competitive threat.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by aliqot »

Swenrekcah wrote: post #158
aliqot wrote: post #76

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Affirmative action is bigotry of low expectations by another name. Imagine if I were a minority doctor who benefited from this, my patients will always wonder if I'm less-than. Nobody wants to go to a cardiologist that was bottom of their class, so why instill that doubt and call it a leg up?

Sure, but it’s usually not like that though. All the people who get into med-school are talented even though the selection process was unfair in this regard. Like I said, this can be an overall good. For example, let’s say I run a small software shop where everybody is male. Now, it’s not likely that a woman would accept a job offer because of the environment. So if I were the boss I’d hold off on hiring until I can…

> All the people who get into med-school are talented even though the selection process was unfair in this regard

Be that as it may, a reasonable person given the choice will not want the least of the smart people working on their heart. This is a scenario where someone can be the smartest person in all racial categories but the stigma will still exist because race X is known to be favored over race Y for reasons not pertaining to skill, merit, or knowledge.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by NoraCodes »

NeverFade wrote: post #248
NoraCodes wrote: post #214

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Hmm, this is not a good criticism of affirmative action programs. A child from a rich family, of whatever race, is far more likely to be able to attend the college of their (or their parents') choice, based on a wide array of factors. This is mitigated somewhat by federal and institutional need-based and merit-based aid, but I don't think it's really supportable to say that it's exacerbated by affirmative action. If…

> I think you made this situation up without considering other factors because you have an ideological agenda. > Arcidiacono shows that, after narrowing down applicants to those with the strongest objective academic qualifications, Asian Americans were far more likely than blacks or Hispanics to receive a low personality score from admissions officers. https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/06/harvar... S…

Yeah, that sounds like racial discrimination against Asian students! You'll note that I did not say there was no such thing as racial discrimination against Asian students, so I'm not sure how this is relevant.

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Post by rchaud »

dartharva wrote: post #168

This entire comment section seems to have gone down the drain to Reddit-tier exchanges. People giving their own false commentary on broad topics just for the sake of it without even trying to understand contexts, this is totally not expected on HN.

The top comments as of 10:50AM ET are openly backing and rationalizing discriminatory hiring practices.

Compare that to the reaction to IBM pushing out over-50s: empathy and compassion.

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19507447

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24471903

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by secondcoming »

aliqot wrote: post #250
secondcoming wrote: post #230

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I'm Irish and am pretty sure I'm 'BAME'. The Poles definitely are. I don't know if Italians / Spanish are 'LatinX' or not.

We Latinos don't say LatinX

Nor does the US Latino community. Doesn't stop it being used.

But translating the DEI stuff from a US perspective to a European one is difficult. So as far as I concerned the Italians and Spanish are LatinX.

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Post by phpisthebest »

P5fRxh5kUvp2th wrote: post #225
phpisthebest wrote: post #97

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I am in the midwest, live in a mid size city in the mid west. I live in a Middle Income Neighborhood in the midwest... Demographics of this city I believe are 30% minority and 70% white. Of the 10 Homes owners closest to me (and they are all home owners no rentals) 4 of them are black. My employer has a much larger than 30% black workforce. Homelessness is not a large problem here, however it is primarily white men t…

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>>isn't the midwest also a wasteland of homelessness and druggies?

No, We have a big problem with drugs that is true, but I would not call it a "wasteland"

AS far a homelessness, it is a problem like it is everywhere but I have never seen anything like what is seen in CA in my life. I would call that a wasteland of homelessness.

We have tons and charities, and lower cost of living making our homelessness problem generally transitory, meaning a person is homeless in crisis which is largely corrected by community out reach in a few months. Long Term homelessness is much less of a problem here

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Post by P5fRxh5kUvp2th »

dendriti wrote: post #41
seper8 wrote: post #5

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It doesn't, but you can't discriminate against white men. /s

Folks, this is not difficult to understand unless you're deliberately being obtuse. There's legal and illegal discrimination. Some forms of legal discrimination do amount to discrimination against White people. When we say "Discrimination is wrong" we are almost always talking about illegal discrimination. Just crying out that "But.... but you said discrimination is wrong!" really isn't the 'argument' you think it is…

> When we say "Discrimination is wrong" we are almost always talking about illegal discrimination.

What I'm hearing from you, dendriti, is that slavery wasn't wrong when it was legal.

That definitely seems a hot take in 2022.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by ushtaritk421 »

P5fRxh5kUvp2th wrote: post #152
azangru wrote: post #126

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> Many of them just can't speak English correctly. Only a small percentage of the individuals who speak English at a proficient level of those who do, they predominately come from very wealthy upper caste families and now you have a new problem. There is something very confusing to me in this paragraph. You put forth as a premise (at least if I am understanding the logic of the paragraph correctly) that fluency in En…

India works on a caste system, said caste system being very discriminatory. What the other poster meant is that you'll end up hiring out of the upper castes and they'll display a lot of bias towards other castes. It's to the point that many from India won't admit to the caste they're in.

I mean, legally they are not in a caste, right? Does the Indian state recognize caste?

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by NoraCodes »

P5fRxh5kUvp2th wrote: post #251
NoraCodes wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, this is not a good criticism of affirmative action programs. A child from a rich family, of whatever race, is far more likely to be able to attend the college of their (or their parents') choice, based on a wide array of factors. This is mitigated somewhat by federal and institutional need-based and merit-based aid, but I don't think it's really supportable to say that it's exacerbated by affirmative action. If…

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jun/15/asian-ameri... https://nypost.com/2022/09/10/affirmative-action-hurts-asian... How confident you are that you are not the ignorant one.

I'm always open to being wrong, but I'm also pretty confident that you lack in reading comprehension skills. The argument GP was making was about affirmative action being a net negative for impoverished students, and this is, as far as I can tell, utterly irrelevant to that argument.
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