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Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

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among my generation this has already caught on among some groups of young white women for "diversity clout" if that's a thing. they are all suddenly "bi" and put pride flags in their insta and tiktok bios. prove them wrong. p.s. there are doubtless plenty who are fr but there's a lot of bs too.

I don't mean this as snide as it sounds, but really, who cares?

The DOE, to start.

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Why do you feel like neighborhoods need to be static in terms of racial composition, forever? Science is science? Okay then. Is tech tech? It seems that there are more white and Asian people in tech, and Apple is hiring in RDU. Should they not hire the best technologists? Should those technologists not have homes in the area? By “gentrifying”, it seems you just mean white people moving for their jobs. Why isn’t that…

I have no issue with racial composition. I have no issue with Apple hiring the best technologist independent of race. To me, gentrification is a symptom that the people being "displaced" did not have * equal opportunity* to become the best technologists. This is because funding for upstream programs are ignored in these discussions about student loans, affirmative action, and now DOE grants. K-12 public schools and l…

Ultimately a job at Apple is the pinnacle for most engineers. You aren’t doing anyone any favors by kicking this racial bias / affirmative action anywhere else down the chain, or onto a different ladder, whether it be in tech, physics, education, research, sports, or whatever.

Equal standards for every one. Every adult, child, race, and creed. Every ladder at every rung. Not all outcomes will be equal and any sort of do-gooder (and often do-badder) effort to “correct” for disparities will be worse than doing nothing at all.

Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

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You also seem to just self declare on most applications, so claim whatever race/gender/sexuality you want. I am gay. Prove me wrong.

I'm not sure this is relevant to the article. It's saying that grant proposals must include plans to promote diversity, not that grant proposals must come from people of any particular race/gender/sexuality.

This is in practice a quota system. They can’t say that, but that is what is expected.

Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

among my generation this has already caught on among some groups of young white women for "diversity clout" if that's a thing. they are all suddenly "bi" and put pride flags in their insta and tiktok bios. prove them wrong. p.s. there are doubtless plenty who are fr but there's a lot of bs too.

I don't mean this as snide as it sounds, but really, who cares?

Jobs. Scholarships. Committees. Boards.

Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

among my generation this has already caught on among some groups of young white women for "diversity clout" if that's a thing. they are all suddenly "bi" and put pride flags in their insta and tiktok bios. prove them wrong. p.s. there are doubtless plenty who are fr but there's a lot of bs too.

I don't mean this as snide as it sounds, but really, who cares?

i don't much honestly. a few bi friends have complained but i don't much agree with the whole "appropriation" angle.

it does matter if people start getting advantages from it, though, and that's literally the subject of this thread. hell if it meant the difference between grant and no grant i'd claim it, what can they do?

Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

among my generation this has already caught on among some groups of young white women for "diversity clout" if that's a thing. they are all suddenly "bi" and put pride flags in their insta and tiktok bios. prove them wrong. p.s. there are doubtless plenty who are fr but there's a lot of bs too.

I don't mean this as snide as it sounds, but really, who cares?

Perhaps the people that don’t want to participate in open bigotry and other nonsense.

Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

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You also seem to just self declare on most applications, so claim whatever race/gender/sexuality you want. I am gay. Prove me wrong.

> I am gay. Prove me wrong. The weird thing about this is that you're relying on a clear sense of your own identity (that you are not gay, because if you were you wouldn't challenge someone to prove you wrong, you'd just say it) to deny the value of other people doing the same thing, but with a different answer. To wit: you're yelling about your own sexuality in an argument about how we shouldn't have to hear about s…

I deny that it should matter for grants, hiring, and other career benefits.

But it does and while it does, I shall claim I am gay.

Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

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I suspect white men see these things and this is why people like Trump keep winning.

Nice of you to notice that Trump is not a bigot. Unlike the other side. An ass. Yes. But he did more for lifting up all ethnic groups then any government mandated racism / sexism has ever done.
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