Live data from Hacker News

DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

science.org

21–30 of 140 posts

Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

#21

You also seem to just self declare on most applications, so claim whatever race/gender/sexuality you want. I am gay. Prove me wrong.

among my generation this has already caught on among some groups of young white women for "diversity clout" if that's a thing. they are all suddenly "bi" and put pride flags in their insta and tiktok bios. prove them wrong.

p.s. there are doubtless plenty who are fr but there's a lot of bs too.

Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

#22
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, these are all important elements of inclusion. For example, if only short people design energy equipment, tall people will hit their heads on it.

As a tall person I’ve been frustrated by tallism my entire life. I hit my head all the time. And then I’m mocked for slouching!

I wish there were more tall people that designed urinals and bathrooms. Only tall people will understand this.

Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

#23
post #11

This is backwards. We need do this type of investment at the pre-K, elementary, and middle school levels. We need to provide funding to local communities. If all these top tier colleges (I'm looking at squarely my alma mater--Duke--as an example) invested directly in their local communities instead of affirmative action we'd have made far more progress as a nation. Meanwhile, big tech is gentrifying Durham, people of…

Why do you feel like neighborhoods need to be static in terms of racial composition, forever?

Science is science? Okay then. Is tech tech? It seems that there are more white and Asian people in tech, and Apple is hiring in RDU. Should they not hire the best technologists? Should those technologists not have homes in the area?

By “gentrifying”, it seems you just mean white people moving for their jobs. Why isn’t that allowed in your book? Have black people claimed the Durham area as theirs forever? What nonsense.

Let’s just speak openly: you’re part of the problem. Neighborhoods can’t get claimed by any given race. People can move where they want. Successful businesses adding jobs to a historically poorer area is a good thing, and you shouldn’t use silly code words like “gentrification” to signal that you don’t want whites moving into your town.

Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

#26

Diversity of what? Thought? Height? Athletic ability? Age? Hair color? Education?

Skin color, the link is an article you know, not just a headline. It's requiring grant recipients to have a plan on how they will include more people of color in their research. It has to be real and specific as well, otherwise it would just be "bullshit" as one of the articles quoted advocates terms anything less serious.

Personally I think it's strange to force a rather arbitrary inclusivity metric into scientific research.

Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

#28
post #11

This is backwards. We need do this type of investment at the pre-K, elementary, and middle school levels. We need to provide funding to local communities. If all these top tier colleges (I'm looking at squarely my alma mater--Duke--as an example) invested directly in their local communities instead of affirmative action we'd have made far more progress as a nation. Meanwhile, big tech is gentrifying Durham, people of…

Your plan of action isn't inconsistent:

> Researchers seeking funding from the United States’s single biggest funder of the physical sciences will now have to think about how they can structure their own efforts to promote greater participation by researchers and students of color and from other underrepresented groups.

ie. If a well endowned university that was recieving DoE grants were to underwrite the expansion of education and scholarships programs at pre-K, elementary, and middle schools within their intake catchment areas to be more inclusive of people diverse in background,

then they can submit that activity as evidence of their efforts to expand the divisity of the researcher pool.

Granted it's an approach that takes years to bear fruit .. but it's the kind of approach that actually works and happens within the education sector of other countries that seek to lift all citizens access to education that matches their ability.

Of course, this smacks of five year (and ten year (and fifteen year)) planning .. so, communism | socialism. etc.

Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

#29
Requiring diversity doesn't really solve the problem. Now instead of a small group of rich white people living in the same neighborhoods and going to the same parties and keeping the funding and opportunities away from the rest of the unwashed masses it will be a small group of mixed races of people doing the same.

The ultimate issue is the cronyism of Science.

This reminds me of the fact that 80% of new hire professorships already come from only 20% of schools.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2022/09/23/new-study-fin...

Anything that is regulated by the government tends towards cronyism instead of competence over time because they have an endless flow of taxpayer money so no competence is needed to keep the money flowing.

Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

#30
post #16

Diversity of what? Thought? Height? Athletic ability? Age? Hair color? Education?

Let’s not forget IQ, people with low IQ are very marginalized in the field of physics and mathematics. Seriously diversity is a mind virus at this point. North america is one the the most diverse, just equitable place that ever existed in the history of humanity.

Hey, I like diversity of thought. Wild ideas? Fuck yes. I don't really care about people's backgrounds that much. What good is diversity when everyone looks different but thinks alike?
Post reply on HN