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Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by pas »

hedora wrote: post #515
ktzar wrote: post #431

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Sporadic gamers who don't have the space or money to have a $400 console permanently using space in their living rooms. I played RDR2 on Stadia for 2 months. Then didn't use it again until I got my next game, a few months later. I rather pay a bit more for games without the burden of having a console, or a gaming pc to be honest. It solved a problem for me. Until my kids are not old enough to have a PS (whatever the…

My cloud gaming vm costs Stadia had none of those properties.

can you share the name of the provider?

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by ogennadi »

modeless wrote: post #36
labster wrote: post #8

It’s the final day of the free tier of Google Apps they promised they would never take away from me. I run a web search where the engine ignores my excluded terms[1]. Sad. But the I log into Gmail. Another redesign, thank goodness! Too bad I can’t XMPP message my friends to tell them about it. [1]: https://www.google.com/search?q=49ers+-football+-nfl

Are you talking about the free lifetime Google Apps for Your Domain? They did announce that they were canceling it, but they reversed course and you can still keep it by pressing this button: https://support.google.com/a/answer/2855120 I actually closed my account when they first announced the cancellation, which made things more difficult and I had to contact support to get it back (I was successful). But if you hav…

Thanks. I'd already started paying for it, and now it looks like I won't have to anymore.

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by hbrn »

Huh1337 wrote: post #374
Retric wrote: post #371

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Having a capacitive touch screen wasn’t the iPhone’s innovation, touch screens date back to the 1940’s, it was the browser, UI, and business model that was innovative. That said, the LG Prada beat the iPhone to market by a month but the iPhone was in development for longer. What’s really interesting is the LG Prada II included a physical keyboard showing they where backing away from the design rather than doubling do…

What was innovative about the browser that wasn't already available on Sony Ericsson phones with Opera Mini since 2005? The UI was a little different and polished but also not that new. I still don't get the hype. I had the original iPhone, found out it doesn't support apps and promptly went back to my Sony Ericsson.

Back in those days extremely smooth scrolling and pinch-to-zoom was something that turned mobile web browsing from annoying hurdle to a fairly pleasant experience.

Mobile hardware wasn't capable of delivering such smoothness. Apple's innovation was to prioritize UI rendering over everything else. When you're zooming, rendering stops and browser only deals with zooming. Regardless of current CPU capabilities and load, scrolling and zooming is always smooth. And turns out people care about those way more than parallel rendering.

That's some underappreciated outside of the box thinking.

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by hedora »

monlockandkey wrote: post #550
hedora wrote: post #524

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Surely, they just used proton, right? Source code is here: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/

Proton I don't think existed with Stadia. Or there might be a latency overhead translating DX to vulkan

That sounds self-inflicted then; they could have filled their library with 1,000's of games by collaborating with steam.

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by lofaszvanitt »

imwillofficial wrote: post #377

No, stadia died because Google did not earn trust. A subtle but important distinction. Google had a chance to commit to this and really hold the line until wider adoption.

You really think the average player has long term memory, reads multiple newspapers on a daily basis and knows all the shenanigans of Google?

NO! They only care about themselves and the bottom line. Gimme the game as fast as possible with as low of a cost possible and goodbye.

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Post by HWR_14 »

ffggvv wrote: post #242
HWR_14 wrote: post #223

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Microsoft threw billions at it and became the third player. Sony also threw tons of money at it and succeeded. You don't need revolutionary ideas as a hardware publisher, you need the willingness to lose money for a long time to get a foothold.

sony has decades of relationships built in the industry with its consoles. microsoft has the same with oc gaming. google has zero relationships

Sony has the decades of relationships now, but not when the PS1 came out. Which is what I was referring to. (And the original XBox)

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by modeless »

jasonjs wrote: post #579
modeless wrote: post #36

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Are you talking about the free lifetime Google Apps for Your Domain? They did announce that they were canceling it, but they reversed course and you can still keep it by pressing this button: https://support.google.com/a/answer/2855120 I actually closed my account when they first announced the cancellation, which made things more difficult and I had to contact support to get it back (I was successful). But if you hav…

I've been trying to press that button for my own Google Apps account. It simply doesn't work.

It only works if you originally had the lifetime free apps for your domain, and you haven't transitioned to another offering already. If you did, then you have to contact support to transition back.

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Post by chongli »

KajMagnus wrote: post #540
pessimizer wrote: post #436

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> Maybe if you replace "totally low hanging fruit", with "It was undiscovered winner-takes-it-all markets" I'd agree. I don't understand the distinction you're trying to make. I think what's being proposed is that the more undiscovered markets get discovered, the fewer undiscovered markets are left, and the more difficult they are to discover. Pagerank was a good idea that worked.

I'm thinking that whenever an undiscovered market gets discovered, this unlocks new undiscovered markets. And back at the time, before Google Search, many many related markets didn't, couldn't, yet exist. And, back then, I'd think PageRank could count as one of the few and difficult thing to discover. I think "low hanging fruit" makes it sound too easy :- )

I think "low hanging fruit" makes it sound too easy :- )

Then you missed the point. It doesn't matter whether PageRank was something trivial any grad student could come up with or if it was on the level of Einstein's General Relativity in difficulty. The point is that it was one basic idea.

Today if you want to dethrone Google you need to overcome the enormous amount of engineering that has gone into Google Search and Maps. You can't do that by just "discovering" something as a grad student. It's going to take thousands (or millions) of engineering hours to achieve.

That is what it means for the low-hanging fruit to be gone. It's like the difference between discovering electricity, as we all know took quite a while but was achieved by a small number of scientists and inventors over a period of a couple centuries, and trying to compete against the modern-day electrical distribution network on your own, which is essentially impossible without some kind of Star Trek alien galactic empire level technology.

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Post by Thorrez »

aeturnum wrote: post #526
Thorrez wrote: post #202

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>they won't use one iota of their largess to help you deal with the consequences of their actions. Google's refunding all Stadia game and hardware purchases. Disclosure: I work at Google, but not on Stadia.

Yes, but what I am talking about is the professional side. Sibling comments are talking about the Nov 1st launch games who were in the dark. Obviously Google can make it right - but that doesn't seem like what they are going to do.

It looks like Google is going to make it right:

https://nitter.net/OldeSkuul/status/1575863134857793536

https://nitter.net/burgerbecky/status/1575721820904632320

I don't really know if there's a better way to do it. If you're going to shut down and refund everyone's purchases, you need to disable purchases at the exact moment you make the announcement, otherwise people will buy things for semi-free knowing they'll get refunded in the future. If you tell game devs before the general public, it's going to leak out. If it leaks out you either need to lie and say it's not shutting down, or announce that it is shutting down, in which case the game devs didn't really get much advance notice.

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by nomel »

sofixa wrote: post #533
nomel wrote: post #525

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The trade off is that the hundreds of games that I previously bought can be played, there’s no censorship or artificial restrictions in the game stores, and any games I buy in the future won’t be lost to the collapse of a single service, since I can just reinstall them on any other PC (cloud or not). Personally, that’s worth the minor inconvenience of an update screen. And, this is an implementation detail. Shadow co…

> You should try shadow. You just open the Shadow app in whatever device, it boots, and you’re in. No login. You have to login to each and every store (Steam, Epic, Ubi, etc.) you want to play games with. > there’s no censorship or artificial restrictions in the game stores As of now. Some games' ToS already state you can't play them remotely, and technically Shadow would be in violation of that. It's enough for EA o…

> you want to play games with.

Once, as you also need to do when booting up your a console for the first time.

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