Stadia died because no one trusts Google • Hacker News Board

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by tracerbulletx » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 4:20 PM UTC

stingraycharles wrote: post #150

h0l0cube wrote: post #131

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> As a gamer, I think Stadia failed because the system they created doesn't make sense. Google, Facebook, etc. are victims of early success. They made their billions on low hanging fruit, by throwing a lot of resources at problems with very high demand for a solution that weren't yet tackled well (e.g. query the internet, keep in touch with friends). So it's no wonder that in this day in age they are incapable of und…

At least for Google, I don’t think you can call what they did with search low hanging fruit. Their solution was anything but, and it was truly innovative (at the time) and their success was well deserved. I do agree that they’re victims of their early success, but rather that it proves that it’s rather difficult to make multiple successful products. When you own a whole ecosystem, like Microsoft and Apple do, it make…

Android should be their ecosystem and they aren't managing that nearly as well as they could be.

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by sascha_sl » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 4:20 PM UTC

fxtentacle wrote: post #472

josefresco wrote: post #469

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> You had to buy games at real $40-$60 prices but you could only play them through this limited service. sigh As a gamer and actual Stadia user this is not a complete or fair depiction. Like almost every other cloud/gaming service including Xbox etc. Stadia had a "Pro" subscription model which have you access to dozens (hundreds?) of games. Furthermore "you could only play them through this limited service" is exactl…

Geforce now allows you to link an Epic account and play all the games you previously purchased.

Definitely not all. GFN is by far the most reliable and "native feeling" of these, but not just giving you a generic Windows install with some persistence is what makes it not worth it for me.

I guess it's not trivial to get such "floating" windows licenses and prevent people from mining with a mouse jiggler?

Though I did subscribe to the 3080 tier for a month when my gaming machine was out of comission.

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by sofixa » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 4:24 PM UTC

nomel wrote: post #525

sofixa wrote: post #491

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> It’s just a cloud PC With the associated UX of manually logging in, handling disk space, waiting for installations and updates, etc. etc. etc.

The trade off is that the hundreds of games that I previously bought can be played, there’s no censorship or artificial restrictions in the game stores, and any games I buy in the future won’t be lost to the collapse of a single service, since I can just reinstall them on any other PC (cloud or not). Personally, that’s worth the minor inconvenience of an update screen. And, this is an implementation detail. Shadow co…

> You should try shadow. You just open the Shadow app in whatever device, it boots, and you’re in. No login.

You have to login to each and every store (Steam, Epic, Ubi, etc.) you want to play games with.

> there’s no censorship or artificial restrictions in the game stores

As of now. Some games' ToS already state you can't play them remotely, and technically Shadow would be in violation of that. It's enough for EA or whatever to threaten to sue them and they might implement restrictions.

I agree that the flexibility and continued ownership of the games is a massive bonus.

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by UncleMeat » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 4:27 PM UTC

michaelt wrote: post #378

wokwokwok wrote: post #347

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Android Maps Docs Go /shrug I dunno, I think it’s fair to say they’ve had a few winners.

Android, by acquiring Android Inc. Maps, by acquiring Keyhole and Where 2 Technologies. Docs, by acquiring Upstartle. YouTube, by buying YouTube Inc. Got any winners that they started themselves instead of acquiring? Credit where it's due though: A lot of companies destroy their acquisitions, which hasn't happened in these cases.

Photos. More than 1B users at this point.

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by ghaff » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 4:30 PM UTC

bombcar wrote: post #530

ghaff wrote: post #453

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Go back to the 90s or maybe early 2000s, and there was definitely this widespread vision of a media hub connected to the TV in the living room as the primary home entertainment device (or even more broadly home control). People weren't necessarily in broad agreement about the nature of such a device but it was certainly a more centralized view of the world than what ultimately has ended up playing out.

If you replace “TV” with mobile phone we actually got pretty close to the predictions.

True. Many people primarily interact with entertainment, news, etc. through a single connected device. It's just much more individualized and on the go interactions than it was envisioned in the guise of a home theater/living room hub.

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by system2 » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 4:36 PM UTC

password54321 wrote: post #375

system2 wrote: post #81

I can't believe people even discuss this. Input Lag gaming will never pick up. It is supposed to be the opposite. Remove lag further instead of adding them for strange services like this.

You never tried it or your connection is bad. The tech itself works.

I tried Stadia on a Gigabit Fiber + 5ghz wifi. It is significantly noticeable. You cannot change the laws of physics.

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by softwaredoug » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 4:36 PM UTC

rhtgrg wrote: post #489

softwaredoug wrote: post #486

There certainly is a product management lesson in here It’s not enough to launch a product, you need conviction, and skin in the game, that the product is a good idea. And when your bets don’t pay off, you need to pivot like your life depends on it. Google could never succeed with stadia (or other big bets) if there’s little downside risk for those involved to its failure. Instead of digging deep and getting creative…

> You can’t give people amazing comfort and stability then expect them to take outsized risks. This statement doesn't make any sense to me. Who's going to try crazy new maneuvers on the trapeze, the person with the safety net or the one without? Perhaps you meant to say that you can't expect people to iterate on their business model like their life depends on it...well, I'm sorry to inform you but that rarely happens…

The better metaphor is if there’s always a safety net it doesn’t matter whether you stay on the tight rope. You can give up whenever you want.

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by llampx » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 4:37 PM UTC

jillesvangurp wrote: post #319

dutchbrit wrote: post #288

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It’s a reoccurring event though, people don’t trust Google because they kill so many services.

They kill so many products because they mismanage them and they then fail to get a lot of users. A lot of the things they kill simply aren't very good. Trust has nothing to do with it.

Lots of products they killed had millions of users. Reader, Orkut, Picasa are a few that come to mind.

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by sngz » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 4:49 PM UTC

As a gamer. I didnt even know what stadia was until I read this thread. Lack of advertising might be why they failed.

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by KajMagnus » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 5:17 PM UTC

pessimizer wrote: post #436

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> implement it yourself. It’s not very difficult But that's not where others failed. Instead, it's coming up with the idea, realizing that it's a truly good idea, that was the important thing. (Remember, Yahoo and other(s) didn't want to buy Google and the algorithm, when they had the chance.) Maybe if you replace "totally low hanging fruit" , with "It was undiscovered winner-takes-it-all markets" I'd agree. In hinds…

> Maybe if you replace "totally low hanging fruit", with "It was undiscovered winner-takes-it-all markets" I'd agree. I don't understand the distinction you're trying to make. I think what's being proposed is that the more undiscovered markets get discovered, the fewer undiscovered markets are left, and the more difficult they are to discover. Pagerank was a good idea that worked.

I'm thinking that whenever an undiscovered market gets discovered, this unlocks new undiscovered markets.

And back at the time, before Google Search, many many related markets didn't, couldn't, yet exist. And, back then, I'd think PageRank could count as one of the few and difficult thing to discover.

I think "low hanging fruit" makes it sound too easy :- )