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Why are so many adults acting just like children?

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Re: Why are so many adults acting just like children?

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I think this actually a serious issue and I’m disappointed that the comments are mostly defensive. If I had to pick two things that have led to adults acting like children, it would be: - the lack of any real “coming of age” ritual in Western culture. The closest we get is going to college, which has developed into something deliberately removed from adult reality - the slow removal of cultural rules that indicated a…

I largely agree with your sentiment. One small nit about wearing a suit, which is one cultural norm I am happy to dispose of except for weddings and funerals. I think is is possible to look neat and convey seriousness wearing an appropriate T-shirt and comfortable pants that fit properly, especially for day to day activities like going to work in 90 degree weather.

Emerson's Manners is a great read on fashion in general:

https://archive.vcu.edu/english/engweb/transcendentalism/aut...

Re: Why are so many adults acting just like children?

#122

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I think it's worth considering whether there are numerous levels to this phenomenon, and that you yourself are on one of those levels (as we all are)...and perhaps not the highest one (of which there may be no such thing, in fact).

Why would that be worth considering?

A motivation would be to increase the likelihood of one's perceptions of what's going on aligning with what is actually going on (which is what Trump supporters are often criticized for).

Whether this qualifies for being worth it is largely (but not necessarily entirely) a subjective matter.

Re: Why are so many adults acting just like children?

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Why would that be worth considering?

A motivation would be to increase the likelihood of one's perceptions of what's going on aligning with what is actually going on (which is what Trump supporters are often criticized for). Whether this qualifies for being worth it is largely (but not necessarily entirely) a subjective matter.

You’re begging the question

Re: Why are so many adults acting just like children?

#124

I've been noticing this for at least a decade now: people don't seem to grow up anymore. When I think of my grandfathers, who were born in 1898 and 1905, respectively, I remember serious men. They were good-humored, but they were adults and they carried their weight in the world. My father, born in 1935, also has that seriousness. It's hard to put a finger on exactly what it is that men under 70 lack now, but it is d…

You mention that men under 70 lack a certain something. Are you sure it isn't that men have gained something they didn't have in the past? I have thought a lot about how the human condition has changed over the years. I feel the most important change is modern human's ability to think in the abstract.

If you were to ask a pre-modern human to group a chicken, a crow, a stick, and a tree. They might group the chicken and the stick together because they would use the stick to kill the chicken and make a meal. Whereas a modern human would most likely group the chicken and crow, and the stick and tree together.

The tendency to think abstractly has exploded over the last hundred years or so, and it has fundamentally changed how we see and react to the world. A great explanation of this comes from the Ted-talk of James Flynn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vpqilhW9uI

Re: Why are so many adults acting just like children?

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>> My father, born in 1935, also has that seriousness. It's hard to put a finger on exactly what it is that men under 70 lack now, but it is definitely something important. "Seriousness" or calcified melancholy?

It is absolutely not “calcified melancholy”. My father is a deeply religious man, has a degree in chemical engineering from MIT, was a professor of Hematology for 40 years, and was incredibly highly respected by everyone who knew him, and in particular by his church community. He studied Latin as a child, is an avid bird watcher, and has lived an extraordinarily happy, meaningful, and impactful life. His has been a l…

The PhD to community leader pipeline nowadays is a lot smaller. Most of them now end up being adjunct professors or something.

I’m not sure how much Latin and Church play into things (I did both growing up and it’s not much to write home about) but I think the decreasing opportunities for a rich life have more to do with the systematic de-skilling of the professional and academic middle class. Society can not countenance regular individuals with that much leverage and influence so it does everything in its power to reduce engineers, teachers, etc to cogs in a machine

Re: Why are so many adults acting just like children?

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It is absolutely not “calcified melancholy”. My father is a deeply religious man, has a degree in chemical engineering from MIT, was a professor of Hematology for 40 years, and was incredibly highly respected by everyone who knew him, and in particular by his church community. He studied Latin as a child, is an avid bird watcher, and has lived an extraordinarily happy, meaningful, and impactful life. His has been a l…

How life sounds like an interesting one. I wonder what drove him. My experience with seriousness is one as a consequence of loss and an obsession with becoming skilled enough to prevent history repeating itself.

I didn’t even mention his time in the Army during Vietnam, or the 14 years he spent in India as a missionary doctor.

Re: Why are so many adults acting just like children?

#127

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It’s a generational article, for anyone of a certain age or older, explaining why what we see as “infantalization” serves a purpose and may yield very positive outcomes.

My problem is that it's not challenging its audience's assumption that the activities in question are childish. It tacitly grants that they're childish, and then tries to defend them by looking for a positive side. The corollary is that if that positive side didn't exist the reader would be justified in being outraged at what young people are doing.

I don’t think that’s feasible, because the activities are child-like. Asking for that perspective shift requires a lifetime.

What the article does challenge successfully is whether the negative connotations are merited. i.e., childish.

And it uses a real life example to argue that it’s not merited at the big picture level.

Re: Why are so many adults acting just like children?

#128
A psychologist I know told me “a man that lives with his parents is a castrated man”

So bad for him for missing out on the adult experience - that said, who’s who to tell you how to behave ?

Nobody asked to be born - we all just showed up, be yourself and try to get through this life as best you can without hurting others

Re: Why are so many adults acting just like children?

#129
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This article is full of such strange implied absolutisms and "just-so" stories. The silliest and most striking one is probably "Japanese women invented and pioneered emoji". As far as I know the :) symbol was first used by an American man, and there was no specific gendered usage of emoji afterwards.

"emoji" is a Japanese term. They were invented by Japanese phone manufacturer DoCoMo, and popularized in the west when implemented by the iPhone.

Yes, thank you, I can read Wikipedia as well. This does not support the articles statement that emoji and/or emoticons were invented and popularized by women, or that emoji/emoticons are specifically feminine.

Re: Why are so many adults acting just like children?

#130

This article is full of such strange implied absolutisms and "just-so" stories. The silliest and most striking one is probably "Japanese women invented and pioneered emoji". As far as I know the :) symbol was first used by an American man, and there was no specific gendered usage of emoji afterwards.

Emoji and emoticons are not the same.

Yes, this is technically true, however this is pedantic nitpickery that's besides the point.

1) The article specifically mentions emoji.

2) Emoticons and emoji are extremely related concepts and emoticons influenced the development of emoji.

3) Neither emoji nor emoticons were invented or popularized by women AFAICT.

Pointing out that they are not the same thing doesn't mean that emoji or emoticons were invented by women or for women, which is what the article basically said outright.

My original point was: if the article gets silly things like "emoji are feminine" completely wrong, why can I trust the other things it says?

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