Funny how the women's rights situation in Iran became bad enough to prompt large scale protests within two weeks of Iran joining SCO. Not two months earlier. Not two months later. Just within weeks.
This is the sixth occurrence of major protests in Iran in in five years.
Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran
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#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
The objection was to your metaphor.
A metaphor is never going to cleanly map from one situation across to another. If it did, we would have no need for the metaphor as we would just have two identical scenarios. The metaphor’s purpose is to elucidate insight in one matter by presenting another with some similarities. If you’re going to object to a metaphor, I think you should do it on the grounds that it offers little to no insight into the situation.…
Then we could have discussed pro/cons of destroying someone way of life by introducing our civilization vs. turning a blind eye to the poor (by our standards) living conditions of the tribe.
Iran (even if you don't like its political system) is not it.
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#173We all sympathize with the death of Mahsa Amini. However, don't be a fool and destabilize and destroy your own country at the hands of foreigners. What do you intend to achieve with the chaos? Syria? Iraq? Afghanistan? Division of Iran into ethnic and religious enclaves? Because that is what the CIA/NSA/Mossad is working for. I'm all for protests by and for Iranians but this is no longer something related to Iran. An…
also see the movies : "my teheran for sale" and "Persepolis"
as much as I hate USA foreign policy, it is also possible that Iranians want peace and freedom outside of foreign interests.
not everything is black and white.
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#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
Terminals have to get in-country and there needs to be usable ground stations in the same cell as the terminal. Good luck getting a terminal to Tehran where the police are apparently gleefully destroying satellite dishes. Even if you got an intact terminal there's no ground station nearby. StarLink has been given special dispensation to operate in Iran. This is not the same as air dropping a warehouse worth of termin…
I wonder how internet quality scales of antenna size. Would a covert antenna with a quarter of the area of a regular antenna give you somewhat usable internet?
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
Terminals have to get in-country and there needs to be usable ground stations in the same cell as the terminal. Good luck getting a terminal to Tehran where the police are apparently gleefully destroying satellite dishes. Even if you got an intact terminal there's no ground station nearby. StarLink has been given special dispensation to operate in Iran. This is not the same as air dropping a warehouse worth of termin…
I believe there is no gateway (ground station) problem. It only needs to be in view of the satellite, not in the same cell, and even if there is no gateway in sight, laser backhaul is now operational (see starlink providing service in Antarctica now, https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/14/spacex-satellite-internet-... ) You do need to get the user terminals into the country, though. But once you do, they're easier to hide…
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#176Back in the 80's, I remember that people were protesting without internet and mobile phones, with very successful results. They bought down the iron curtain after all. The most sophisticated technology they used was the printing press, for printing and distributing fliers, newspapers and censored books. Underground groups were organized in cells too, without phones, email or apps. Right now, it seems like those who u…
Back in the 80s, the number of people who had been and were killed organizing this way had a lot of zeroes at the end of it. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for a low tech approach to security where it makes sense, but it’s not a panacea. And it’s not like this evolving movement wasn’t organizing the same way at the same time, we’ve learned more from them than the inverse.
Adding to this, their security forces learned a great deal as well. Here is a brief talk on this covering a little bit of the protest history and what is likely to occur. [1]
[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooROZDeds8o [video 4 mins]
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#177This is why I invested many years and $1M of our profits into building Qbix Platform https://github.com/Qbix The why in video form: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ1O_gmPneI The why in blog form: https://qbix.com/blog/2019/03/08/how-qbix-platform-can-chang...
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#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
A metaphor is never going to cleanly map from one situation across to another. If it did, we would have no need for the metaphor as we would just have two identical scenarios. The metaphor’s purpose is to elucidate insight in one matter by presenting another with some similarities. If you’re going to object to a metaphor, I think you should do it on the grounds that it offers little to no insight into the situation.…
Your metaphor would work if we discussed whether or not to contact some isolated tribe in Amazon. Then we could have discussed pro/cons of destroying someone way of life by introducing our civilization vs. turning a blind eye to the poor (by our standards) living conditions of the tribe. Iran (even if you don't like its political system) is not it.
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#179you might want to consider scuttlebutt[1]. It's a truly decentralized social network. You can set up your own in-country servers to spread information between clients fairly easily and it doesn't matter if they take them down because it's decentralized any any other server can replace it. Set up a few and then if they take one down the others can spread the word about where to find its replacement. [1]: https://scutt…
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#180No internet required.