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Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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Post by hutzlibu »

batch12 wrote: post #40

It seems risky to set this up on something you own when facing the adversary you face. Use good OPSEC. Don't do this on something than can be tied to you. Not on your servers, not from your workstations, not from your house, not from your workplace. That's 101 level operational security. It'd just take one user to be discovered using the VPN, followed by forensics and interrogation to unmask whoever sets this up. The…

I would say, it depends.

When you focus on setting up servers, you can argue it is mainly about communication.

They cannot go after anyone who wants to be online again - but of course they will go after anyone, who set up infrastructure especially for activists.

I would frame it internally strictly as "going online".

Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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Post by nimbius »

_yb2s wrote: post #25
LinuxBender wrote: post #5

the servers inside Iranian data centers still have access to the outside world. Knowing that, the simplest and easiest solution that would avoid detection is to SSH tunnel into that datacenter and SSH-ProxyForward out of that datacenter into Amazon AWS via SSH and use that SSH proxy chain as a SOCKS proxy for browsers. Make sure the browser is using the SOCKS proxy (SSH) for its DNS. Many sites will make your friends…

The first hop, "SSH Client -> Iranian Datacenter" seems extremely vulnerable to surveillance, and would create an incriminating list of people involved. With this discussion in the open, you can bet Iranian authorities are going to specifically look for anything discussed here, so the only viable solutions should have no measurable deviation from normal behavior that would allow them to detect which datacenter was do…

maybe lorawan can be used to launder the traffic? IoT traffic obfuscators running on battery power

Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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Post by bovermyer »

darcys22 wrote: post #31

Over at session we are getting a massive influx of users from Iran right now. We have not been blocked yet, session is an e2ee decentralised messenger. https://getsession.org/

I have not heard of Session before now.

I don't want to seem insensitive to the Iran situation, but how does Session compare to other popular encrypted messaging services?

Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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Post by elihu »

aliqot wrote: post #35
bergenty wrote: post #28

Quoted post unavailable.

Why are we downvoting someone's opinion? At least leave a rebuttal.

Because an opinion by itself doesn't add much to the discussion, if we don't know why that opinion is held.

As far as I understand it and as stated the post text up top, the protesters are protesting because a woman died in the custody of the Iranian morality police. That seems like a pretty good reason to protest. If there's more to the story and the protests are actually about something different, then it would be interesting to know what it is. As it is, the comment comes across as "I don't think the death of that woman is worth protesting about" which isn't a sentiment that I think is likely to get much sympathy here.

Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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Post by aliqot »

elihu wrote: post #45
aliqot wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are we downvoting someone's opinion? At least leave a rebuttal.

Because an opinion by itself doesn't add much to the discussion, if we don't know why that opinion is held. As far as I understand it and as stated the post text up top, the protesters are protesting because a woman died in the custody of the Iranian morality police. That seems like a pretty good reason to protest. If there's more to the story and the protests are actually about something different, then it would be…

>Because an opinion by itself doesn't add much to the discussion

This is a misunderstanding in how downvotes work here.

Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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Post by pessimizer »

rcarr wrote: post #33
d0mine wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The prime directive is not for peer civilization. Iran is not on a stone age (yet).

Allow me to introduce you to: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor

The objection was to your metaphor.

Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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Post by neodypsis »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #21
ethotool wrote: post #3

Just my opinion but I think that non-interventionism should be promoted here. Especially when it comes to political situations like this. It’s a dangerous game.

It is not a game. Governments around the world, big and small have been seen turning internet off at the first sign of trouble. It only makes sense that we provide a way for the population to circumvent those efforts. As flawed as internet is, I still think it is worth defending and protecting from government overreach. I will say even more. Other governments are watching and likely debating what could be used on the…

Star-link + widespread mesh network nodes? Although, what about jammers?

Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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Post by 411111111111111 »

bovermyer wrote: post #43
darcys22 wrote: post #31

Over at session we are getting a massive influx of users from Iran right now. We have not been blocked yet, session is an e2ee decentralised messenger. https://getsession.org/

I have not heard of Session before now. I don't want to seem insensitive to the Iran situation, but how does Session compare to other popular encrypted messaging services?

https://github.com/oxen-io

Seems to be a fork from Signal by oxenio. It's selling point seems to be the crypto currency relation?

Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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Post by jonas-w »

bovermyer wrote: post #43
darcys22 wrote: post #31

Over at session we are getting a massive influx of users from Iran right now. We have not been blocked yet, session is an e2ee decentralised messenger. https://getsession.org/

I have not heard of Session before now. I don't want to seem insensitive to the Iran situation, but how does Session compare to other popular encrypted messaging services?

It is completely decentralized and works like Tor (Onion Routing) while others are centralized or federated.

It is based on the signal messenger, the apps look nearly identical.

And you don't have a phone number or an account login, you just have a long UID that you use like your phone number and a random recovery phrase. It is all about not sending much metadata about you, your phone, etc.

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