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Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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Post by qikInNdOutReply »

batch12 wrote: post #40

It seems risky to set this up on something you own when facing the adversary you face. Use good OPSEC. Don't do this on something than can be tied to you. Not on your servers, not from your workstations, not from your house, not from your workplace. That's 101 level operational security. It'd just take one user to be discovered using the VPN, followed by forensics and interrogation to unmask whoever sets this up. The…

The idea is plausible deniability, used PCs that could be plausible hacked. Bonuspoints when they are part of the regimes machinery.

Tornode running on a censors machine is ideal.

Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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Post by rcarr »

pessimizer wrote: post #47
rcarr wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Allow me to introduce you to: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor

The objection was to your metaphor.

A metaphor is never going to cleanly map from one situation across to another. If it did, we would have no need for the metaphor as we would just have two identical scenarios. The metaphor’s purpose is to elucidate insight in one matter by presenting another with some similarities.

If you’re going to object to a metaphor, I think you should do it on the grounds that it offers little to no insight into the situation. In my opinion, if you’re going to object to the above quote based on the fact that Iran is, in terms of infrastructure if not politically, well developed then you may as well also disregard it because Iranians are not an alien species and software developers are not captains of space ships.

To use another metaphor: you’re losing the forest for the trees. Please don’t object to this on the grounds that there is no foliage on the bridge of the USS Enterprise.

Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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Post by throwaway0191 »

We all sympathize with the death of Mahsa Amini. However, don't be a fool and destabilize and destroy your own country at the hands of foreigners.

What do you intend to achieve with the chaos? Syria? Iraq? Afghanistan? Division of Iran into ethnic and religious enclaves? Because that is what the CIA/NSA/Mossad is working for.

I'm all for protests by and for Iranians but this is no longer something related to Iran.

And, you my dear sir, are of course a person working for foreign interests trying to get input from all of the tech people here who think they are doing good. You are not.

This is an attempt at a color revolution!

Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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Post by anvic »

computerfriend wrote: post #89
unity1001 wrote: post #64

Funny how the women's rights situation in Iran became bad enough to prompt large scale protests within two weeks of Iran joining SCO. Not two months earlier. Not two months later. Just within weeks.

Yeah, murdering a woman for not wearing her hijab properly is just a western plot. Iranians can't possibly have any agency. Is that what you're saying?

Surely it's not the first or the last time that this has happened or will happen again. I can smell the glowies from a thousand miles away.

Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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Post by asim »

You mentioned because WhatsApp and related messaging services are blocked GSM and SMS has to be used to even speak to people within the country. Is there any Iranian specific messaging services to use as an alternative? Could self deploying something for friends and family be a good solution?

Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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Post by ohgodplsno »

mariojv wrote: post #78
_yb2s wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first hop, "SSH Client -> Iranian Datacenter" seems extremely vulnerable to surveillance, and would create an incriminating list of people involved. With this discussion in the open, you can bet Iranian authorities are going to specifically look for anything discussed here, so the only viable solutions should have no measurable deviation from normal behavior that would allow them to detect which datacenter was do…

Could individuals run a public internet gateway that doesn't keep logs with something similar to mosh but running the equivalent of an SSH tunnel? Think a SOCKS proxy on one end, but running as a public web application/forward proxy on the other end. The ISP would still be able to see any traffic to the gateway, but if you had enough links outside of government monitored net infrastructure to the gateway (hard lines…

You are not dealing with a state that will say "teehee, we have no proof of the data that's going through, oh well!". Anyone found operating one of these gateways will just end up being beaten with a wrench, and traffic logged further on. Considering this, it's overall safer to not go through a central gateway, and to have as many possible connections going through. Hell, even PCs stored in weird places, in government offices, just to make the signal to noise ratio even worse.

A gateway is a single, big ass signal that says "come murder me".

Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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Post by goodcanadian »

This is slightly off topic, but beyond the protests, there may be other reasons the powers-that-be are trying to control the information space. Khamenei may be dead or dying. Changes of leader in these sort of regimes are always a fraught time at best.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-crisis-up...

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-crisis-up...

Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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Post by computerfriend »

anvic wrote: post #124
computerfriend wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, murdering a woman for not wearing her hijab properly is just a western plot. Iranians can't possibly have any agency. Is that what you're saying?

Surely it's not the first or the last time that this has happened or will happen again. I can smell the glowies from a thousand miles away.

You're just smelling what you want to smell.

Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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Post by thret »

LinuxBender wrote: post #57
ethotool wrote: post #3

Just my opinion but I think that non-interventionism should be promoted here. Especially when it comes to political situations like this. It’s a dangerous game.

It’s a dangerous game. That it is. When their society has reached a tipping point where women are burning their hijabs in the street in front of massive groups and cameras I think they have decided to not hide in the shadows and are willing to sacrifice themselves for what they believe in. Many of them are likely to have unspeakable things done to them. I suspect they know the sacrifices they are making and willing t…

How insane is it that women are risking death by burning a hijab, and as you say 'willing to sacrifice themselves for what they believe in'.

LISTER: Do you mean they had a war over whether the doughnut diner hats were red or blue?

HOLLY: Yeah. Most of them were killed fighting about that. It's daft really, innit?

LISTER: You're not kidding. They were supposed to be green.

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