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If you're going to comment on HN, please make sure you're up to date on https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and using the site in the intended spirit, which is curiosity. That is a quite different quality.
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Please don't take HN threads further into generic ideological flamewar. It's hellish, tedious, and off topic here. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
If a mod, why is a post answer which is basically bait, allowed to stay up, but people are being asked to refrain from answering it?
The topic is clearly ideological. A post defends a dictatorship with poor arguments and accused, among many other attrocities, of stealing thousands of babies. But the answers to such a troll are being asked to stop.
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Except that people undergoing these surgeries do so willingly, face massive barriers to ensure they are thinking clearly and understand the consequences, show minimal regret rates, often have to undergo extensive psychological counseling beforehand, etc... Except for everything it's exactly the same.
Medicine and psychiatry often seem to be at the center of these regimes. Is there sometihng about doctors and ideology that goes so closely together? Maybe it's the pretext the regimes to suspend rules and rationality. German doctors began a "euthenasia" program several years before the war broke out, and no governing body of theirs seems to have historically been above using prisoners for medical experiments. Even r…
> German doctors began a "euthenasia" program several years before the war broke out, My understanding is the German “euthanasia” program didn’t start until after after the war began. Not in big numbers anyway. So you have a source?
You could still see some eugenics going on around the workd after II WW for some time.
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And similarly in Australia. The more appropriate description is taken by STATE. These and more issues come from state bureaucracies irrespective of any other trappings. Otherwise decent people will do terrible things when given a bureaucratic goal, just to achieve said goal, and then will say they were only doing their job or following orders.
Where’s “state” usually means the church, with state’s approval.
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You're pointing that implication arrow the wrong way there.
I genuinely have no idea what you mean, please explain further.
US policy towards natives was directly cited as a model for nazism, and has been a model for programs in fascist and non-fascist regimes implementing similar policies for a long time. The US isn’t fascist, as another response interprets my meaning, but establishing a prototype for fascist policies should be recognized as such. The extent to which the US isn’t fascist is mostly lucky internal trivia for those of us who get to experience that luck. And that pendulum has a lot of inertia in the wrong direction.
Best to recognize when we influenced some of the world’s worst mass crimes. That’s my point.
It was not something you wanted to make public so I would have expected swapped birth certificates (with the older ones destroyed). It was as if there was no longer term thinking (just the immediate action to cover up the abduction/fake pregnancy here and now)
My mother was physically, emotionally and pyschologically tortured by her own government for the simple fact of having had me, out of wedlock.
I was taken as a baby, to be relocated to another family - a "proper, white one", that met the standards of the government at the time.
Mum fought and screamed and kicked down the doors, and got a lawyer. And, a little while later, she got me back.
Australias dark relationship with the criminal UK's baby-stealing human trafficking government is a story that has yet to be fully told... not to mention the atrocities committed on my aboriginal friends during the same period, another heinous circumstance from a fundamentally racist government.
This doesn't seem drastically different than what was openly happening to Native Americans in the US until the passage of the Indian Child Welfare Act in 1978. By some estimates, as many as 3/4ths of Native American children were taken from their families for adoption or foster care. And that's assuming the law stopped the practice, some states still see many Native American children shipped to non-Native communities…
Likewise, the Stolen Generation in Australia.
A truly vulgar and heinous facet of Australian/British history - alongside the already heinous acts committed against the original owners.
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And similarly in Australia. The more appropriate description is taken by STATE. These and more issues come from state bureaucracies irrespective of any other trappings. Otherwise decent people will do terrible things when given a bureaucratic goal, just to achieve said goal, and then will say they were only doing their job or following orders.
Where’s “state” usually means the church, with state’s approval.