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Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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> Actors aren't mumbling, they're speaking how real people speak. Trust me, screen actors have more stage training than ever -- they know how to enunciate but if they do, the director tells them to stop because they seem like they're giving a fake theatrical performance rather than being a slice of real life. But if it translates into me not being able to understand them, that’s less realistic, because in a real-worl…

To the contrary, it is realistic -- no, you wouldn't understand them in real-life either. Movie speakers aren't slurring anything, as any audio engineer could easily prove to you. My mother complains about how she can't understand anything when there are Irish or Scottish or even northern English characters in a show. Decades ago, in an American TV show those characters would have been speaking an understandable Amer…

>To the contrary, it is realistic -- no, you wouldn't understand them in real-life either.

Yes, I absolutely would, because, in practice, people speak in a way that others can understand them, or else they have to quickly adapt. (If they’re not comprehensible, there will be a contextual reason why.)

>Movie speakers aren't slurring anything, as any audio engineer could easily prove to you.

That wasn’t what I was saying. My point was that conveying sound through speakers has inherent differences from a person actually being there, and our ears/auditory processing are optimized for the latter, taking advantage of things that aren’t present with speakers. So playing “the same” speech is going to be inherently less comprehensible, requiring some kind of compensation.

These brilliant sound engineers, as judged by actual audiences, are turning comprensible speech-situations into incomprensible ones, some way or another.

>My mother complains about how she can't understand anything when there are Irish or Scottish or even northern English characters in a show.

That’s a separate issue, whern there are genuine cultural differences with between the listener and the situation. That’s not what’s happening in Tenet.

> But that's what subtitles are there for.

No, it’s not. Most sound engineers would consider it a failure if someone had to use subtitles for their own dialect, and most cinemaphiles consider the presence of subtitles to be a failure in itself, and everyone agrees that having to read off the screen to follow worsens the experience.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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One more vote for terrible audio mixes and one for actors who mumble their dialog. Whenever I watch movies with my wife, we constantly have to fiddle with the remote control. The loud parts (including explosions and music) are too loud for her, so we have to turn the volume down during those parts, but the dialog is too quiet and mumbly for me to hear, so we turn the volume up during those parts. We now just keep the…

Agreed, mixing at ‘reference level’, which is deafening, isn’t doing anyone any favours. Very few people have a home theatre set at reference level when watching a film or show.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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If the actor's intention is to mumble instead of enunciatiting clearly (presumably because of some notion of authenticity), then they will also mumble the studio takes. It's not a problem of sound volume/background noise, which ADR can fix, it's a problem of style over ease of understanding the dialogue. This mirrors the problem of TV series sometimes becoming too dark to easily follow the action on a TV screen in us…

Those scenes look amazing on good TVs. Making bad screens show them well seems like a problem for the producers of bad screens to solve.

By "good TV" do you mean one that is stuck in demo mode with blown out saturation and gamma?

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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I wish there was a CC mode for “I’m not deaf, I just don’t catch the quiet mumbly dialog sometimes so give me captions only of the dialog.” Bonus if it’s delayed by exactly 2 seconds, so that it doesn’t spoil jokes, and I can quickly reference it if I missed something someone said (helping me avoid fixating on the captions.) Because it’s the CC descriptions of music swells and things like “[laughs] and “[crying]”, et…

mpv --sub-filter-sdh [--sub-filter-sdh-harder] --sub-delay=2 https://mpv.io/manual/master/#options-sub-filter-sdh

If only I could pipe Netflix or HBO through mpv. Stallman was right yet again.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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1. I watch foreign films so that’s how I got started

2. Then I put on CC so I could watch things at 2-3x and still keep up

3. I’ve got young kids and I can’t watch shows at times with the volume up if everyone else is sleeping

4. I got it as a tip for kids shows too so children can see the words they are hearing. Helps them reinforce their vocabulary. So it’s always on if the kids are watching tv.

What’s not to like about CC?

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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post #589
post #562

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I wish I could turn subtitles on for this comment. I have no idea what you are saying.

The account you replied to replied to a comment of mine on another thread with a weird word salad. It was suggested to me that said account may be a bot...

Particular comments maybe, but probably not the account as a whole since it dates from 2007

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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I'll add one more reason -- TV shows often require you to pay attention to every word now. Thirty years ago, if you missed a line of dialog, it wasn't usually a big deal. Now if you're watching Westworld ? If you misunderstand a single line that might be the entire difference between "solving" the episode or not. TV has gone from a "casual" experience you can tune in and out of, to a kind of literary-precision experi…

Agreed. There's still older shows, or even new simple "popcorn-flick" movies that I can watch without subtitles just fine, because of a simpler plot line and cast of characters.

For example, compare a show like Lost against Westworld. With Lost each scene was so drawn out, that even if you missed a line, you'd be able to figure out what's going on from the general context.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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This trend is as old as filesharing, probably much older

There have always been people who don’t care, I’m saying that the demographic corresponding with tech enthusiasts who were excited about DTS, THX, 4k, Blu-Ray, or complained about 240p video on YouTube seem to care much less now.

The market is a bit more streamlined now, so once you check the 4K OLED smart TV surround speaker box there's less to discuss about hardware. With the rise of streaming, the decision is binary: use it or don't. And if you do use it your choice is more limited when it comes to discussing video quality itself.

Tech enthusiasts focused on quality will be found discussing encoding methods on private torrenting groups or emerging tech like e-ink. And the "audiophile" crowd is as vibrant as ever.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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post #589
post #562

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I wish I could turn subtitles on for this comment. I have no idea what you are saying.

The account you replied to replied to a comment of mine on another thread with a weird word salad. It was suggested to me that said account may be a bot...

I’m convinced they’re not a bot. I believe they’re either deliberately engaged in “artistically” expressing themselves, or have mental health issues of the schizophrenic variety.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/brainspotting/2022...

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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Thank you.

You're welcome elteto, all the way. I have little idea when I cannot be understood, and it helps me to know when I do in fact communicate plainly.

You too-frequently convey your ideas through the use of obscure metaphor and convoluted sentence structure. Yet you clearly know how to write plainly, as you just demonstrated in your subsequent replies.

It is odd that you apparently wish to be understood, but more often than not choose opacity instead of clarity. Which is a bit of a shame, because if a person makes the effort to decipher your posts, they often do say something meaningful or insightful.

But others also have insights and useful information, and are much, much easier to understand; given this competition, of course your illucid rambling is skipped and downvoted.

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